<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I am behind. Does the fully integrated half roll has to cover the complete 1/2 loop on bottom? Therefore, the wings needs to be at 45 degrees in the lower point? <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Jim Woodward (US SSA)" <jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:40:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks Dave,</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I was falling back to the position that all rolls in a maneuver have to match roll rates (excluding point rolls). It would be easier to perform the maneuver if the ½ roll integrated in the ½ loop does not have to match the other roll rates.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks,</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don’t believe there is a requirement (in FAI) for the rate of the ½ roll to match the rate of the 1/4rolls.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Regards,</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It will also be difficult to match the roll-rates of the non-point roll elements.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>J Shu<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">roll direction is not specified, chose the way you prefer</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=geobet4@verizon.net href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net" target=_blank>GEORGE KENNIE</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General pattern discussion</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:13 PM</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I need a little help understanding the correct execution of the # 1 Maneuver in P-11.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The Aresti shows the model approaching from the left. As the first radius is completed and the model assumes a vertical track,</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">the requirement is to execute 3 points of a 4 point roll centered on the upline with the stall turn executed at the apex of the line.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Due to the fact that I like to present the canopy to the judges on the stall I will roll left on the upline (trust me, I can do it either way</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now comes the sticky wicket,......on the down line I will be rolling to the right in preparation for the entry radius into the integrated</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">duration of the downline. My question is: .........as I enter the bottom radius and start my roll, is there a roll direction requirement?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If I roll LEFT (which will present the canopy) the judges could easily become confused and think that I'm doing an inside 1/2 loop</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">at the bottom, which is really not the case as I had to push to initiate the 1/2 loop. If I roll to the RIGHT the last 1/2 of the loop looks </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">like an inside 1/2 loop. So, I guess my basic question is, am I free to roll according to my whim? </SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I was unable to find any written FAI maneuver descriptions on our site. Is there a link that I'm missing? </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thanks Guys,</SPAN></P></DIV>
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