<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:p="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:powerpoint" xmlns:a="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:access" xmlns:dt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" xmlns:s="uuid:BDC6E3F0-6DA3-11d1-A2A3-00AA00C14882" xmlns:rs="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:rowset" xmlns:z="#RowsetSchema" xmlns:b="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:publisher" xmlns:ss="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet" xmlns:c="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:component:spreadsheet" xmlns:odc="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:odc" xmlns:oa="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:activation" xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:q="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" xmlns:rtc="http://microsoft.com/officenet/conferencing" xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:Repl="http://schemas.microsoft.com/repl/" xmlns:mt="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/meetings/" xmlns:x2="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ppda="http://www.passport.com/NameSpace.xsd" xmlns:ois="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sub="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/2002/1/alerts/" xmlns:ec="http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#" xmlns:sp="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/" xmlns:sps="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcs="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/soap" xmlns:udcxf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:udcp2p="http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/parttopart" xmlns:wf="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" xmlns:dsss="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig-setup" xmlns:dssi="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig" xmlns:mdssi="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/digital-signature" xmlns:mver="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mrels="http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships" xmlns:spwp="http://microsoft.com/sharepoint/webpartpages" xmlns:ex12t="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types" xmlns:ex12m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messages" xmlns:pptsl="http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/SlideLibrary/" xmlns:spsl="http://microsoft.com/webservices/SharePointPortalServer/PublishedLinksService" xmlns:Z="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" xmlns:st="&#1;" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
<style>
<!--
 /* Font Definitions */
 @font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Tahoma;
        panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
 /* Style Definitions */
 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0in;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
p
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
        margin-right:0in;
        mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
        margin-left:0in;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
span.EmailStyle18
        {mso-style-type:personal-reply;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;}
@page Section1
        {size:8.5in 11.0in;
        margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
        {page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
  <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
 </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>

<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>

<div class=Section1>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hopefully we&#8217;ll cross paths in the future, maybe at the
2010 pattern nats.&nbsp; Thanks for sharing your experience below.&nbsp; Just
to add some more thoughts about the unknowns.&nbsp; Unknowns invite a &#8220;team&#8221;
approach to flying them successfully.&nbsp; Most the pilots will take their
unknown, and go to their most experienced friend that can read arestii, and ask
for it to be deciphered.&nbsp; Groups of 3-5 pilots will go through and try to
get them sorted out.&nbsp; You then leave the field or dinner thinking you got
them right.&nbsp; Later in the hotel room, you realize that some particular
snap &amp; roll combination is &#8220;same direction&#8221; instead of the
typical opposite direction (for instance).&nbsp; Then, you doubt the whole
thing and study it again.&nbsp; In the morning, you go to your buds and see if
they caught the mistake, but then sort of hope the other &#8216;competition&#8217;
didn&#8217;t catch it.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So here goes the sequence of events morning of &#8211; if you
are the person folks are relying on to &#8220;call-correctly&#8221; for them,
it can really cramp your morning.&nbsp; You will be studying the other classes
unknown nearly as much as your own.&nbsp; If you call for them (sometimes a
couple people let&#8217;s say) before you fly, YOU better have a good caller
lined up to help keep you own head straight.&nbsp; It puts more pressure on you
to &#8220;call-correctly&#8221; for someone, than to fly your own
sequence.&nbsp; It also puts you in an uncomfortable spot to say &#8220;no&#8221;
to the task when you absolutely need to.&nbsp; You will quickly look around and
realize that other pilots have that &#8220;super-experienced&#8221; caller
working with them all the time &#8211; maybe for years.&nbsp; If your flying
group doesn&#8217;t have that, all of you are at the disadvantage.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As the unknown flier &#8211; there are tricks to memorizing the
sequence (Don S.&#8217;s latest video covers one technique nicely for it), but
the bottom line is that your caller will make-or-break this round for you, and
in short, the contest outcome.&nbsp; Reading aresti is a skill.&nbsp; Flying
unknowns with the same composure and &#8220;presentation&#8221; that you fly
the knowns with a huge new skill to learn.&nbsp; If you are really practicing
with IMAC dedication, you should probably fly 65% of the knowns, and 35% of
learning how your airplane does every other maneuver not in your known.&nbsp; The
benefit is that learning how to approach unknowns and fly them confidently will
accelerate your skill growth and make you a better pilot fast.&nbsp; You knees
may shake like you are on the Nationals flight line though!&nbsp; I always have
a good feeling of accomplishment for pulling off a clean unknown, that you don&#8217;t
always have after even a really good known flight. &nbsp;&nbsp;Unknowns offer a
lot and they will make your head stronger for flying, show where your
weaknesses as a pilot are, but they come at the price of a lot of studying,
dramatic changes in the final pilot positions, and needing a good &#8220;team
approach&#8221; to pull the flights off cleanly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve
hannah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think this thread started as
a query into unknowns.&nbsp; Jim W's post pretty well hit the nail on the
head.&nbsp; Leave the unknowns to IMAC.&nbsp; When I switched from F3A to IMAC
(actually the JR SCAT series) in 2002 I started flying Intermediate and really
liked the unknowns.&nbsp; Flying those unknown sequences was very easy.&nbsp; I
found the degree of difficulty of maneuvers between intermediate and the then
F3A sequence to be compatible.&nbsp; Unknowns were no more difficult and, since
I had been flying competitive pattern for 12 years I had little trouble
adapting.&nbsp; I was typically the most experienced pilot in the class so I
had little trouble.&nbsp; Moving up the ladder saw an exponential increase in
the degree of difficulty for the maneuvers as well as for the unknowns.&nbsp;
It is true, you have to kick butt in the unknown in order to win.&nbsp; So, at
every contest I would spend saturday night learning and memorizing my
unknown.&nbsp; I'd get the sequence and stick fly it until I fell asleep.&nbsp;
I got to where I really hated that.&nbsp; It wasn't fun.&nbsp; Flying Unlimited
in 2007, including the TAS, burned me out on this whole thing and cured me of
any desire to fly unknowns ever again.<br>
<br>
When I started flying pattern again in 2008, it was like a breath of fresh air
to me.&nbsp; The contests were fun again.&nbsp; I am a competitive guy and I
stopped having fun at IMAC contests.&nbsp; They were just too much work.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Pattern contests are much lower key and relaxing.&nbsp; IMAC events are
hectic.&nbsp; The unknowns put a cramp on your fun as well.&nbsp; I would
always be thinking at the evening group dinner &quot;I can't have that extra
beer, I need to leave NOW in order to have enough time to cram the Unlimited Unknown
sequence into memory&quot;.&nbsp; That sucked.<br>
<br>
As for the never ending debate of which is better/tougher/more precise, I'll
say this.&nbsp; Flying Pattern made me a good IMAC pilot.&nbsp; Then, flying
IMAC made me a much better Pattern flier.&nbsp; They're all good.&nbsp;
Everyone should try both.&nbsp; Just leave the unknowns to IMAC, Keep them easy
enough to memorize in 10 minutes in the morning so you can have a few beers and
shoot the bull with your buddies at night.<br>
<br>
Steve<o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Bill's Email &lt;<a
href="mailto:wemodels@cox.net">wemodels@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal>J N Hiller wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Thanks
guys that will make it a little easier. &nbsp;I will then assume that the slash
marks through the loop only indicate centering the rolling element.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>It
looked nice through 90 degrees of ark with a very slow rate but I only got one
out of maybe a dozen attempts that looked decent. </span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Those marks are from the Aresti
catalog and indicate where on the loop a roll element can be placed.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

</body>

</html>