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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hopefully we’ll cross paths in the future, maybe at the
2010 pattern nats. Thanks for sharing your experience below. Just
to add some more thoughts about the unknowns. Unknowns invite a “team”
approach to flying them successfully. Most the pilots will take their
unknown, and go to their most experienced friend that can read arestii, and ask
for it to be deciphered. Groups of 3-5 pilots will go through and try to
get them sorted out. You then leave the field or dinner thinking you got
them right. Later in the hotel room, you realize that some particular
snap & roll combination is “same direction” instead of the
typical opposite direction (for instance). Then, you doubt the whole
thing and study it again. In the morning, you go to your buds and see if
they caught the mistake, but then sort of hope the other ‘competition’
didn’t catch it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So here goes the sequence of events morning of – if you
are the person folks are relying on to “call-correctly” for them,
it can really cramp your morning. You will be studying the other classes
unknown nearly as much as your own. If you call for them (sometimes a
couple people let’s say) before you fly, YOU better have a good caller
lined up to help keep you own head straight. It puts more pressure on you
to “call-correctly” for someone, than to fly your own
sequence. It also puts you in an uncomfortable spot to say “no”
to the task when you absolutely need to. You will quickly look around and
realize that other pilots have that “super-experienced” caller
working with them all the time – maybe for years. If your flying
group doesn’t have that, all of you are at the disadvantage. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As the unknown flier – there are tricks to memorizing the
sequence (Don S.’s latest video covers one technique nicely for it), but
the bottom line is that your caller will make-or-break this round for you, and
in short, the contest outcome. Reading aresti is a skill. Flying
unknowns with the same composure and “presentation” that you fly
the knowns with a huge new skill to learn. If you are really practicing
with IMAC dedication, you should probably fly 65% of the knowns, and 35% of
learning how your airplane does every other maneuver not in your known. The
benefit is that learning how to approach unknowns and fly them confidently will
accelerate your skill growth and make you a better pilot fast. You knees
may shake like you are on the Nationals flight line though! I always have
a good feeling of accomplishment for pulling off a clean unknown, that you don’t
always have after even a really good known flight. Unknowns offer a
lot and they will make your head stronger for flying, show where your
weaknesses as a pilot are, but they come at the price of a lot of studying,
dramatic changes in the final pilot positions, and needing a good “team
approach” to pull the flights off cleanly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve
hannah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think this thread started as
a query into unknowns. Jim W's post pretty well hit the nail on the
head. Leave the unknowns to IMAC. When I switched from F3A to IMAC
(actually the JR SCAT series) in 2002 I started flying Intermediate and really
liked the unknowns. Flying those unknown sequences was very easy. I
found the degree of difficulty of maneuvers between intermediate and the then
F3A sequence to be compatible. Unknowns were no more difficult and, since
I had been flying competitive pattern for 12 years I had little trouble
adapting. I was typically the most experienced pilot in the class so I
had little trouble. Moving up the ladder saw an exponential increase in
the degree of difficulty for the maneuvers as well as for the unknowns.
It is true, you have to kick butt in the unknown in order to win. So, at
every contest I would spend saturday night learning and memorizing my
unknown. I'd get the sequence and stick fly it until I fell asleep.
I got to where I really hated that. It wasn't fun. Flying Unlimited
in 2007, including the TAS, burned me out on this whole thing and cured me of
any desire to fly unknowns ever again.<br>
<br>
When I started flying pattern again in 2008, it was like a breath of fresh air
to me. The contests were fun again. I am a competitive guy and I
stopped having fun at IMAC contests. They were just too much work. <br>
<br>
Pattern contests are much lower key and relaxing. IMAC events are
hectic. The unknowns put a cramp on your fun as well. I would
always be thinking at the evening group dinner "I can't have that extra
beer, I need to leave NOW in order to have enough time to cram the Unlimited Unknown
sequence into memory". That sucked.<br>
<br>
As for the never ending debate of which is better/tougher/more precise, I'll
say this. Flying Pattern made me a good IMAC pilot. Then, flying
IMAC made me a much better Pattern flier. They're all good.
Everyone should try both. Just leave the unknowns to IMAC, Keep them easy
enough to memorize in 10 minutes in the morning so you can have a few beers and
shoot the bull with your buddies at night.<br>
<br>
Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Bill's Email <<a
href="mailto:wemodels@cox.net">wemodels@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>J N Hiller wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Thanks
guys that will make it a little easier. I will then assume that the slash
marks through the loop only indicate centering the rolling element.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>It
looked nice through 90 degrees of ark with a very slow rate but I only got one
out of maybe a dozen attempts that looked decent. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Those marks are from the Aresti
catalog and indicate where on the loop a roll element can be placed.<br>
<br>
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