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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This has
been an informative discussion. I started trying to fly the Sportsman sequence
yesterday. Maneuver #3 is an inside loop with a half roll over the top, exit inverted.
This appears to be an integrated half roll through 90 degrees of arc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Am I
reading this correctly? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is the
maneuver flight detail spelled out somewhere that I could reference?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
9:43 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
unknowns</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You are correct. I
just wanted to say that there is a maneuvers called slow roll that is not
mention in the IMAC rule book. I got the description from the
IAC web site. Here the description:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font size=2 color=black
face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Slow rolls </span></font></b></strong><font
size=2 color=black face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>have
to be flown normally on a straight line (exception is the avalanche). The roll
rate has to be constant and the longitudinal axis of the plane has to go
straight. <strong><b>This requires constantly changing rudder and elevator
control inputs throughout the roll. </b></strong><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy;mso-bidi-font-family:
Arial;color:black'>I wonder how this maneuver is judged. Base on the
description it is required to use rudder and elevator. I suspect
that the judge has the authority to downgrade if the pilots is trying to avoid
using rudder and elevator during the roll. I really don't know how
this is done in the real planes but I will guess that a pilot will try to
do slower roll rate to get maximum points. Again, I could be
wrong in my interpretation and I am sure that you will know more
details. </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo@san.rr.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:44:06 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<br>
<br>
Vince,<br>
<br>
The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll. The
IAC <br>
Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to differentiate it <br>
from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never <br>
flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.<br>
<br>
-Doug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> <br>
><br>
> Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate <br>
> class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast.
<br>
> IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's class. I
am <br>
> not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
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