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Another of the differences between IMAC and pattern. No roll rate is
specified and no arc is specified. The requirements are that the roll
be in the arc and be centered at the top so most pilots do a fairly
quick roll across the top of the loop.<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
J N Hiller wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">This has
been an informative discussion. I started trying to fly the Sportsman
sequence
yesterday. Maneuver #3 is an inside loop with a half roll over the top,
exit inverted.
This appears to be an integrated half roll through 90 degrees of arc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Am I
reading this correctly? <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Is the
maneuver flight detail spelled out somewhere that I could reference?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday,
September 22, 2009
9:43 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern
discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
unknowns</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Doug,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">You are
correct. I
just wanted to say that there is a maneuvers called slow roll that is
not
mention in the IMAC rule book. I got the description from the
IAC web site. Here the description:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><strong><b><font color="black"
face="FranklinGothic-Heavy" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: FranklinGothic-Heavy; color: black;">Slow
rolls </span></font></b></strong><font color="black"
face="FranklinGothic-Heavy" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: FranklinGothic-Heavy; color: black;">have
to be flown normally on a straight line (exception is the avalanche).
The roll
rate has to be constant and the longitudinal axis of the plane has to
go
straight. <strong><b>This requires constantly changing rudder and
elevator
control inputs throughout the roll. </b></strong><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="FranklinGothic-Heavy" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: FranklinGothic-Heavy; color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="FranklinGothic-Heavy" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: FranklinGothic-Heavy; color: black;">I
wonder how this maneuver is judged. Base on the
description it is required to use rudder and elevator. I suspect
that the judge has the authority to downgrade if the pilots is trying
to avoid
using rudder and elevator during the roll. I really don't know how
this is done in the real planes but I will guess that a pilot will try
to
do slower roll rate to get maximum points. Again, I could be
wrong in my interpretation and I am sure that you will know more
details. </span></font><font color="black"
face="FranklinGothic-Heavy" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: FranklinGothic-Heavy; color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><seefo@san.rr.com></a><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:44:06 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
Central<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<br>
<br>
Vince,<br>
<br>
The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll. The
IAC <br>
Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to differentiate it
<br>
from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never <br>
flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.<br>
<br>
-Doug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> <br>
><br>
> Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate <br>
> class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling
fast.
<br>
> IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's class.
I
am <br>
> not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
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