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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thanks guys that will make it a little easier. <span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I will then assume that the slash marks
through the loop only indicate centering the rolling element.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>It looked nice through 90 degrees of ark with a very slow rate but I
only got one out of maybe a dozen attempts that looked decent. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stuart Chale<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
11:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Another of the
differences between IMAC and pattern. No roll rate is specified and no
arc is specified. The requirements are that the roll be in the arc and be
centered at the top so most pilots do a fairly quick roll across the top of the
loop.<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
J N Hiller wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->This has been an informative discussion. I started trying to
fly the Sportsman sequence yesterday. Maneuver #3 is an inside loop with a half
roll over the top, exit inverted. This appears to be an integrated half roll
through 90 degrees of arc. <u3:p></u3:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=EmailStyle18><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Am
I reading this correctly? <u3:p></u3:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=EmailStyle18><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is
the maneuver flight detail spelled out somewhere that I could reference?<u3:p></u3:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=EmailStyle18><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks<u3:p></u3:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=EmailStyle18><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim
Hiller<u3:p></u3:p></span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><u3:p></u3:p>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 22, 2009
9:43 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
unknowns</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u3:p></u3:p>Doug,<u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You are correct. I just wanted
to say that there is a maneuvers called slow roll that is not mention in
the IMAC rule book. I got the description from the IAC web
site. Here the description:<u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><font size=2 color=black
face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy'>Slow
rolls </span></font></b></strong><font size=2 face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy'>have to be flown
normally on a straight line (exception is the avalanche). The roll rate has to
be constant and the longitudinal axis of the plane has to go straight. <strong><b>This
requires constantly changing rudder and elevator control inputs throughout the
roll. </b></strong><u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy'> <u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=FranklinGothic-Heavy><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:FranklinGothic-Heavy'>I
wonder how this maneuver is judged. Base on the description it is
required to use rudder and elevator. I suspect that the judge has
the authority to downgrade if the pilots is trying to avoid using rudder and
elevator during the roll. I really don't know how this is done in
the real planes but I will guess that a pilot will try to do
slower roll rate to get maximum points. Again, I could be wrong
in my interpretation and I am sure that you will know more details.
<u3:p></u3:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><seefo@san.rr.com></a><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:44:06 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns<br>
<br>
Vince,<br>
<br>
The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll. The
IAC <br>
Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to differentiate it <br>
from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never <br>
flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.<br>
<br>
-Doug<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> <br>
><br>
> Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate <br>
> class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast.
<br>
> IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's class. I
am <br>
> not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
<br>
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