<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Tony, <br><br>This has been discussed quite a bit previous to this conversation on the officers list quite some time ago. Derek has done a huge amount of work to make this happen as you must know. I believe it had been discussed with the ama, and therefore the reason for the rough dates that we have. I could be wrong, but this is my recollection. <br><br>I know it seems odd to you, as it did me at first, but I haven't been on the team before as you, nor have I ever had the chance to witness a "Worlds" as you have. This is my chance to see it. If it's right before the nats, that's great timing for me. And many that were asked, feel this way. <br><br>It is wished by many of us that the nats date didn't have to be moved, but soaring could move up a week, and so on to make room for the worlds. The nats
will be poorly attended if the two are separated IMO. A lot of people may want to see the worlds competition. If they are separated, not many of us will be able to attend. Just my opinion though. Not discounting yours. I agree with you about it being hard to find a hotel, but I don't think any of the competitors will stick around for a local nats as they just flew the worlds. I would think our own worlds team may not attend the nats right after. Maybe the current team could chime in if they read this to say if they would have stuck around for a local nats in Portugal the week after the worlds. <br><br>Think about a rotating nats. If it was held somewhere else in the country, the dates would most likely vary up to a month either way. <br><br>Not arguing with you here. This is said in a calm tone. Just conversing. <br><br>You coming to Hollister?<br><div> </div><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris
</font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak@sbcglobal.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 2, 2009 8:32:37 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . . . . .<br></font><br>
Derek,<div><br></div><div>Maybe I'm coming in late to this discussion, and for that I apologize. But I would like to ask a few more questions just for clarification. </div><div><br></div><div>You have stated before that the Pattern Nats for 2011 won't be scheduled until October of 2010. Has there been any serious discussion with the AMA about the 2011 Pattern Nats and if it will even be possible to do what you are stating? Can they can even be held after the WC? It would seem that this will take a monumental shift in the Center schedule.</div><div><br></div><div>Are the dates that you have put out for the WC's the only alternative right now? Do we even have the option of moving them later?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your reply!</div><div><br></div><div>Tony</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Fluid meaning that the
dates could move a few days forward or backward... yes, absolutely.</div> <div> </div> <div>Cast in concrete - when the 1st bulletin gets mailed out.<br><br></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Anthony Frackowiak <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="">No it has not been worked out. You are saying your dates for the WC are fluid, and the dates for the 2011 Nats are not set even tentatively. So there is a lot in the air. <div><br></div> <div>Tony</div> <div><br> <div> <div class="im"> <div>On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:</div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div class="im"> <div>Actually it had been all worked out
until "everyone" started chiming in as to their preference for when the wc should be held and the Nats should be held... can't please all the people.</div> <div> </div> <div>LOL<br><br></div></div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Anthony Frackowiak <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="">I absolutely agree. IRCHA will not move their dates unless forced to by the AMA. And I doubt the AMA will do so. <div><br></div> <div>I find it hard to believe that this has not been worked out yet. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Tony</div> <div><br> <div> <div> <div></div> <div> <div>On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Bill's Email wrote:</div><br></div></div>
<blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div></div> <div> <div>Anthony Frackowiak wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Archie is absolutely correct. <div><br></div> <div>Tony</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:</div><br> <blockquote type="cite"><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"> <div lang="EN-US"> <div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">IRCHA is a totally different animal though. Kind of like having Joe Nall after the pattern worlds. I’d say most people really didn’t
care about the F3C worlds. IRCHA does a lot more 3D stuff. </span></div> </div></div></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><br><br>And my point was that attracting 900 paid participants to an event is going to give them some clout when it comes to a schedule relative to the pattern NATS. The WC are a different thing, but IRCHA is not likely to budge for the pattern NATS if it came to that.<br> <br><br></div></div></div> <div class="im"> <div>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div> <div
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