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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Troy:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This is pretty slick. Just one comment
though, re. the toggle setup for use on an electric. How do you know where
you've left it? In other words, suppose you're fiddling around with the
radio for some other reason and you simply lose track of the state of the kill
button. Now you put a battery in and since you can't check the state of a
toggle kill switch, you may assume it's in the kill state when it's not.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like this has some risk built into
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy Newman</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR
question 9303 kill switch</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
just set up this mix….and found out that the button is not available as a
switch to select to activate the mix. The choices for the mix
activation are the MIX, AIL, ELE, RUD switches. Those are the d/r switches. I
didn’t realize that until I started to set it up. There is an easy way to skin
the cat, and Allan Worrest did it for us. I checked his method out and it
works like a charm. I have my 12X and 10X time in the air and programming than
the 9303. The logic is all pretty much similar just takes a little fooling of
the TX to get the task done on the 9303 compared to the 12X. Thanks Allan. I
pride myself on knowing how to program these radios and helping guys out with
it. This time I was combining programming between the different radios in my
head before I actually went and programmed it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So
since you can mix any channel to any channel we need to do what is described
below. Use a spare channel and have it controlled by the button.
In the case below like Allan describes he used AUX 4. This channel is
normally controlled by the rudd D/R switch. In the Device Sel menu you just
re-assign the channel to the button. Now the button is
AUX4.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You
could choose any of the spare channels and assign them to the
button.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Then
create your mix. I will amend what Allan says below. I prefer to not over
drive the throttle servo and make it bind. So you should not use 100% for the
mix value. I would suggest say starting with 30-40% and see how far the servo
travels. If it kills you are done. If its binding and over driving the servo
then reduce the mix value until binding stops.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
“THRO STK” part of what is described below is to only have the kill function
work below a certain throttle stick position. Meaning it adds another switch
on the throttle stick to arm or dis-arm the kill switch. If you set the
“thro-STK” value to say 25% then below ¼ throttle the button will be enabled.
If its set to 100% then below full throttle the button will be enabled. I
would suggest like Allan that you choose a number down low below say 25 so
that the button only activates at low throttle settings.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
idea behind this mix is to take the current throttle position and add travel
to it. If you choose a 40% mix you are taking the current throttle position
say 1/4throttle 25% stick. This would be about L-75% on the output to
the servo. So you are driving the servo to L-75% PLUS another 40% so the
end result is the servo drives to L-115% or to its kill
position.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
would act the exact same as setting your travel adjust at 115%. Except when
you let go of the button the Travel Adjust is back to the normal values. If
you were at full idle stick and your travel adjust was 100% on the Low side
L-100 it would drive the servo to 140%.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
you are flying electrics I would suggest the toggle option. This way the
controller is getting full kill signal after you let go of the button. To
raise the throttle output position you then hit the button again and the
throttle comes back up. In this case I would set the mix as Butn to throttle
and set the values to 125% as the speed controller doesn’t have a mechanical
linkage to over drive. This would be a good safety to not accidently bump the
stick and turn on the motor. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
always use the mix switch for my Kill….this way I can flip it and the kill
stays on all the time until I flip it back. Also I can physically look at the
radio and tell if my kill is “ON” or off.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
know the in the 12X the buttons, aux trim tabs can be used as switches for the
mixing. The 9303 doesn’t offer this capability. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks
again Allan, I appreciate the help brother. I guess my brain was a little
clouded with work, and the new baby. Alexander is smiling and giggling now 9
weeks today. It’s pretty cool. Too bad I’m not on his radar yet. Mama has the
food, I’m just some bozo that stumbles around trying to change him. He knows
I’m not an expert at it….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hope
this helps guys and explains what is going on.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Troy
Newman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>AWorrest@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] JR question<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">For the 9303, to
make the trainer button a momentary kill switch, first go to the DeviceSEL
menu and set AUX4 to be activated by BUTN. Leave AUX4 output active.<BR><BR>In
a linear program mix menu, mix AUX4 into THRO. In Pos1 lower position, set the
value to +100%. Set the THRO STK to some low value like 12 so the kill will
only take place when the throttle stick is in the idle position.<BR><BR>The
only problems that some people may have is with the timer. If you use the
trainer button to start the timer, you will momentarily cause the engine to go
low. Most engines will not stop with a quick blip on the button that is needed
to start the timer. But if this is a problem, use the timer switch on the
front panel. The other thing is that killing the engine will stop the timer. I
find this to be a benefit.<BR><BR>Allan</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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