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You're gonna make my head hurt! lol<BR>
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From: jnhiller@earthlink.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:37:48 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAT Rudder<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle20><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Rex, that caught my eye right away, in-flight thrust adjustment.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle20><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mount the motor on a flexible rubber sheet donut shaped disk and move the rear of the motor with two servos (V&H axis), mixing as needed. Maybe clamp onto the front housing behind the drive washer. Might have to run a 4+" spinner. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle20><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Since I'm in the middle of designing a new airframe anyway I will ruff out a drawing and bring it to Creswell.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle20><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">When I get the header for the 1.60 I was going to breadboard the power system for a backyard run-up to get an idea what the tune length would need to be. Maybe I could check out some thrust vectoring ideas with the same set-up. Might not happen until I get back from the Scale Masters though. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle20><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rex<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:07 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA-discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAT Rudder</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Here's a link to Chad's blog. He talked to Bernd Bernshorner about his motor offset... there's a short <BR>blurb about it....<BR> <BR><A href="http://www.chadnortheast.ca/">http://www.chadnortheast.ca/</A><BR> <BR>Rex<BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:00:19 -0400<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>From: chuenkan@comcast.net<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAT Rudder<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black">Yes, (del aleman = of the <U>some country</U> I think, maybe German[y]) Gunther Ulsamer has a carbon fiber strip to reduce turbulence, and something about laminar flow.<BR><BR>Yes, definitely thrust-vectoring on the Plettenberg motor -- looks like there are 7 positions or steps to the vectoring. I'd bet that really helps in a cross-wind!!!<BR><BR>Also, I didn't notice the deflectors at the bottom of the fuse -- I guess that will counter any roll-coupling effect from the top ones. I'd love to see an assessment of what they do and how well...<BR><BR>All just further proof that aerobatics competition breeds innovation! :-$<BR><BR>At 11:30 AM 8/23/2009, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There were deflectors at the bottom of the rudder too. Looks he is using vector thrusting on the motor too. Something in there too about a tubulator on the wing or stab.... me Portuguese ezz no very goot either.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black"> <BR>Wayne Galligan<BR><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil Spelt</A> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:45 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAT Rudder</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My Portugese is not good at all, but I believe the message says it is Austrian Mayr Gehards, and something about an innovative (????something) small deflector on the upper part of the vertical stabilizer...Anyone have any idea what they are supposed to do -- what's the benefit, other than increased tail-feather drag??? Does it direct more airflow over the Rudder at the top? Seems to me that they might add more roll-coupling, what with the increased effect at the TOP of the rudder...</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">At 09:38 AM 8/23/2009, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Check out the rudder on the plane part way down this page,,,,, Gehards from the WC I beleive.....</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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