<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div>FWIW, a horizontal doubler plate made from either ~1/4" soft balsa, or a built up balsa frame (similar to the "ladder" that Dick Hansen used to put into his Elan's and E=MC2's) installed at the location of the creased section of the fuselage would be stronger and lighter than a glass layup that adds little to the skins structural modulus. <br><br></div><div>Just my suggestion based on having made that type of repair before.</div><div><br></div><div>Jerry</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:18 PM, "Lisa n Larry" <<a href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">lld613@psci.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">“I'll see if it makes it through the first 1 1/2
snap...”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">I sure hope it holds together, it will become very
interesting fast…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Yep, it folded right behind the wing. It is still together,
but buckled in on the side…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">I believe I can get it set in a jig then cut out any wrinkle
that keeps it from pulling straight and put a dummy plate on the outside. I
need to get a cross hair laser that Dean Funk had on his build thread. Then I
can start with thin coat of micro-balloons and epoxy mix to make the outside
sandable. After that, epoxy in CF cloth on the inside for strength and an
attempt to keep it light…Do this wherever it’s wrinkled and I think
I can make it flyable again…It will probably cost me a few ounces, but I
might be able to keep it under 11 pounds…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Probably a good project for me to get my building skills up before
putting together a BMVF3…I’ll benefit from learning to paint as
well…LOL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Thanks Ken, there is a bright side to every problem…My
biggest challenge is being a perfectionist. How do I keep everything within
1/32<sup>nd</sup> of an inch now…? Vbg<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
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<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ken Thompson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:58
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <st1:personname w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OS
140RX Need Help (Final update)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Very sorry to hear about your bird...I too had an issue with
my Genesis...my motor fried at a very bad spot...couldn't quite make it back to
the good part of the runway, had to set it down in the tall weeds...folded gear
plate and just noticed a wrinkle in the right side of the fuse at the trailing
edge of the wing position...it's repaired somewhat, I'll see if it makes it
throught the first 1 1/2 snap...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:lld613@psci.net" title="lld613@psci.net">Lisa n Larry</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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2009 8:11 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] OS 140RX Need Help (Final update)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Got to the flying field and charged
everything up…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Started the 140RX and tons of power
running very smooth. Lisa took the Temptation out to the runway, one more run
up to clear the engine…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Take off was beautiful, very smooth at ½
throttle and very nice climb out to about 20’ and bank to the left for a
easy 180 degree turn down wind…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Leveled wings and was about 100’ and
added power…No power, now a glider….it was a tight rope staying
just above stall to land easy in the tall weeds…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I observed the tip stall about 2 feet
above earth, and yep it’s a composite fuse…you know where it
folded. That was the only damage…Repairable to some, not sure I want the
task…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have no idea why the engine quit and
will probably never know at this point…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As for my weekend, this was the second
plane in two days that were sacrificed to the RC Plane Gods if you
will…Lisa’s trainer met it’s demise yesterday while my dad
was on the buddy box. He got into trouble and I took back control at about
50’ with no problem. Well until I pulled elevator to gain altitude. I
observed a narrow blue covering that I couldn’t place right before she
headed to earth at full throttle. My thumbs were in the low left corner on the
right stick and full up on the left stick. I held it in that position to verify
what happened…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The blue line was the only blue on the
plane…The leading edge of the wing. Normally not a bad observation if the
plane is coming toward you, however, it was going away from me. The wing left
the plane when I pulled elevator…The wing first lifted on the left
appearing to bank sharp to the right…What I saw verified my final stick
positions…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I’ve only lost one other plane since
85’…I guess we all pay up sometime or another…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Not sure what I will do from here, but we
will not be making <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Quincy</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">OH</st1:state></st1:place>…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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