<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><h3>09SO - RC Soaring</h3>
<h5>Total Registrants - <u>146</u></h5>
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<th scope="col">Event #</th><th scope="col">Name</th><th scope="col">Open</th><th scope="col">Senior</th><th scope="col">Junior</th>
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<td style="width: 75px;">441</td><td style="width: 300px;">HL Thermal Soaring</td><td style="width: 60px;">38</td><td style="width: 60px;">1</td><td style="width: 60px;">1</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">442</td><td style="width: 300px;">Thermal Soaring Two Meter</td><td style="width: 60px;">46</td><td style="width: 60px;">1</td><td style="width: 60px;">1</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">444</td><td style="width: 300px;">Thermal Soaring Unlimited</td><td style="width: 60px;">104</td><td style="width: 60px;">3</td><td style="width: 60px;">3</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">445</td><td style="width: 300px;">F3B Thermal Soaring</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">446</td><td style="width: 300px;">F3H Cross Country Soaring</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">456</td><td style="width: 300px;">F3J</td><td style="width: 60px;">45</td><td style="width: 60px;">2</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">460</td><td style="width: 300px;">RES Function (RES)</td><td style="width: 60px;">71</td><td style="width: 60px;">1</td><td style="width: 60px;">3</td>
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<td style="width: 75px;">461</td><td style="width: 300px;">Nostalgia (NOS)</td><td style="width: 60px;">21</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td><td style="width: 60px;">0</td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 8/3/09, Ron Van Putte <i><vanputte@cox.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 8:32 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Maybe Tony Stillman can tell us. I didn't see the number of entrants posted for Soaring. Waiting for thermals is a personal problem; we don't get
to wait for less wind.<br><br>Ron VP<br><br>On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:05 PM, <a ymailto="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" href="/mc/compose?to=rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br>> I don't know much about the Soaring event. If I were to hazard a guess, it would be 1- more pilots and 2- waiting for thermals is less predictable<br>> <br>> MattK<br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Ron Van Putte <<a ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" href="/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>><br>> To: General pattern discussion <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 10:55 pm<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> <br>> Not too long ago, R/C Aerobatics had five days; the fifth day was a "rain day", just in case. When
AMA decided to shorten the Nats, they took away our rain day. I was OK with that, BUT I don't see that the Nats are any shorter and, in looking over the Nats News, I noticed that R/C Soaring has NINE days. What's with that?<br>> <br>> Ron VP<br>> <br>> On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:44 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:<br>> <br>> > The $100 that we pay for the entry is small potatoes compared to > what we spend on the nats. Think about the time off work, all the > practice leading up, the expenses. I estimate that with the time I > took off work, and everything else that it cost me about (well I > won't say, or I will get crucified on here, lol). Raise my rate to > $200 and pay someone to weigh planes. Pay some judges. Pay some > zero judges. Pay for a few more days so that everyone gets equal > exposure judging. Whatever has to be done to make it fair for all. > Why settle for "well, it's sorta ok the way it is, not
perfect, but > ok" when we can change it? I can't understand why people don't want > to make it better.<br>> ><br>> > Chris<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Derek Koopowitz <<a ymailto="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > From: Derek Koopowitz <<a ymailto="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> > To: "General pattern discussion" <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:28 PM<br>> ><br>> > Rules are rules and we should enforce them for
everyone - not just > the select few that make the finals. I would bet that the majority > of everyone that attends the Nats is compliant with the rules we > have today.<br>> ><br>> > Chris: I don't have any problems working to process planes - I > think the time would be fun to meet all the attendees and say hi. I > don't normally get to do that and this will give me an opportunity > to meet everyone. I'm also not looking to do this in lieu of my > judging duties either... I view my judging assignment as an > essential part of attending the Nats and look forward to it every > time. If someone is going to cheat by replacing servos or whatever > just to make weight then shame on them... perhaps Chad's solution > is the best one to weigh planes after they fly but that just makes > the logistics even harder I think since we don't have the enclosed > tents to do this and also enough scales etc. for each
site.<br>> ><br>> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:29 PM, John Konneker <<a ymailto="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jlkonn@hotmail.com">jlkonn@hotmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>> > Not the point I was trying to make.<br>> > Please reread the last two sentences of my note below.<br>> > ONLY legal planes would make the finals, semifinals and place if > the procedure that has been in place were followed.<br>> > Respectfully,<br>> > JLK<br>> ><br>> > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:24:22 -0700<br>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a><br>> ><br>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> ><br>>
> Then why even bother to have the rules? How about noise and size? > Should we eliminate those rules as well? No one checks weight, size > and noise locally... so why should we bother having a rule for it > and enforcing it at the Nats?<br>> > I don't buy it that attendance will diminish.<br>> ><br>> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, John Konneker <<a ymailto="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jlkonn@hotmail.com">jlkonn@hotmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>> > I have to agree with Chris.<br>> > As someone has pointed out there are basically two types that > attend the Nats.<br>> > Those that go to renew friendships and for the social aspects and > those that are trying to win.<br>> > I have been told by more than one pilot attending that they aren't > concerned about their plane<br>> > being overweight since they have no chance of making the finals or > placing and
are there for the fun.<br>> > I think you will see an even further decrease in attendance if > everyone gets weighed at checkin.<br>> > The way it has been til now would be fine IF it was followed and > enforced.<br>> > Otherwise it's just more search for the guilty, punish the innocent.<br>> > JLK<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:57:03 -0400<br>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=cjm767driver@hotmail.com">cjm767driver@hotmail.com</a><br>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> ><br>> > I think we are making this more difficult than necessary (not aimed > at anyone in particular - I just jumped in on Chris's response). We > go
through the process of weighing the potential winners and > finalists already - why not just mandate that the officials APPLY > the rule that already exists. No lee way or interpretation > necessary. Why weigh and measure if we are going to say "oh never > mind, that's ok" when they fail inspection. If they had applied the > existing rule, this discussion would not be going on. To implement > a new procedure (weighing all at check in) is going to need a bunch > of extra help to do and do we really want to have somebody > inventory EVERY item on the plane too in order to ensure they don't > change props, wheels, rx battery, etc after inspection? Who is > going to volunteer to do that to 100+ airplanes? The current way > has worked just fine and would still be fine IF THE RULE AS IT > EXIS TS WAS APPLIED. Simple. Let's not make an overly elaborate > witch hunt in response to what happened.<br>> ><br>> >
Chris (the other one)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:<br>> > Where do they weigh at a worlds event? Outside in the wind?<br>> ><br>> > Just curious.<br>> ><br>> > Thx!<br>> ><br>> > Chris<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, <a ymailto="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca" href="/mc/compose?to=dkrev@shaw.ca">dkrev@shaw.ca</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca" href="/mc/compose?to=dkrev@shaw.ca">dkrev@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca" href="/mc/compose?to=dkrev@shaw.ca">dkrev@shaw.ca</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca" href="/mc/compose?to=dkrev@shaw.ca">dkrev@shaw.ca</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> > To: "General pattern discussion" <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:30 PM<br>> ><br>> > We got weighed after each round at the worlds..... Just saying :-)<br>> > Sent from Dave's Crackberry<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: John Fuqua <<a ymailto="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>><br>> ><br>> > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:35:25<br>> > To: 'General pattern discussion'<<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Better be prepared to weigh 4 or 5 sets of batteries with each > competitor as<br>> > well as
airplanes.<br>> ><br>> > That's the thing with glow. Only dry weight counts. You can load as > much<br>> > fuel as you wish to any weight! Electric stuck at a fixed max T.O. > Weight.<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> > From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> > [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Derek<br>> > Koopowitz<br>> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:37 PM<br>> > To: General pattern discussion<br>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>> ><br>> > I don't see an issue with this... we will put a sticker on all items<br>> > including
all packs that a competitor will use. If a competitor really<br>> > wants to cheat then they will do it... nothing we can do will stop > that.<br>> > I'm also hoping that random inspections will keep people honest and > the fear<br>> > that if you do fail then you will be disqualified.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jay Marshall <<a ymailto="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com" href="/mc/compose?to=lightfoot@sc.rr.com">lightfoot@sc.rr.com</a>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I have some concern that the proposals put forward will really work.<br>> > If the plane is inspected at check-in then there is too much > opportunity to<br>> > change things. In particular, batteries, which are a normally > removable<br>> > item, can be changed to decrease on increase the weight. Do we > "sticker" the<br>> > battery pack? This
means the plane must be disassembled for > inspection and<br>> > that only that battery pack can be used. At present fuel tanks can > also be<br>> > under/over filled to adjust ballast for windy conditions.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > If this is a serious problem, perhaps there are other solutions.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Planes could be placed in an impound/inspection area immediately<br>> > before a flight and fully fueled. The inspection could happen here and<br>> > shouldn't delay the flow of the contest.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Another possibility is to adopt a "standard" weight for a battery<br>> > pack, then weigh electric planes empty. The "standard" could change as<br>> > technology changes.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > As John Pavlick will tell you, all major race winners undergo a<br>> >
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