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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would like to suggest something.
Go to a semi-finals… Use the 4 mini-contest format, but only fly 4
total flights (4 rounds per contest). Take the top 5 from each of the 4
groups and fly a 3-round semi-finals. As an option you could even take 6
and fly a 2 round semi. Then take the top 8 into the finals. This
helps take care of seeding “errors” and unranked pilots. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Down side is that those that don’t make
the semi’s are done after 2 days…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 03, 2009 3:29
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Matrix improvements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>As someone
who’s goal this year was to make the FAI Semi Finals, I understand your
point completely.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The problem is that
all you’re really doing by changing systems is shifting the accuracy from
spots 6,7 & 8 to 11,12 & 13. Bad seeding will still result in
those positions being a coin toss. An unknown flyer, or one that has not
been to the Nationals in years, does not usually get “seeded” and
can mess up the whole game (with regard to that 12<sup>th</sup> spot…not
as far as picking a champion or even the top 6). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Bottom line,
anything but equal exposure will always make the cut-off positions subject to
error. Equal exposure takes time we usually don’t have. We
lower the cut-off point to ensure that the top fliers in contention for winning
make the finals. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m not really
sure what else can be done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>krishlan fitzsimmons<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 03, 2009 3:00
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Matrix improvements<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>My opinion may be a
little different, but similar Mark. <br>
An example, Mike Mueller flew against Tony all week. Flew excellent, but
didn't make the finals. My opinion, he should have. The way our system works
(or doesn't work) caused this IMO. Mike, like myself and many others, spent a
lot on the nats, and if it isn't fair, why go? Well, it's a great time for
sure. And it's great to see all you guys! But we need a system to allow us to
be judged fairly. We would never run this kind of system at a local contest,
so why do we do it at the nats, our most prestigious contest? Could you see
it at a local? Ok, you two guys fly in front of those judges, and you other 2
guys fly in front of two other judges, and so on. Why did FAI want equal
exposure this year? My guess is because they had less entries, yes, but
because our system doesn't work right, and I'm sure they know it. Would the
outcome have been different if they ran it different? Maybe, maybe not. But I
sure feel the Masters outcome would have been had we had equal exposure. And
if Intermediate, and Advanced would have had a finals, I feel the outcome may
have changed a little. <br>
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We discussed this some at the contest this weekend, and doing Jerry's system,
with taking the top 3 in each group, then flying 3 and keeping the best 2
rounds would work pretty well, and not much more time. That way, the top 8
will make the finals regardless of their grouping inconsistencies. Unless we
can get equal exposure like FAI did this year. That is the best system. Just
a thought. <br>
<br>
Where I differ I think in our thoughts Mark, is that I go to try to make the
finals. Then I would be satisfied. 8th place is good to me at the nats right
now. Yes we are trying to pick a national champion. But to some of us lesser
talented flyer's, we are battling for, and proud of 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th.
<img width=18 height=18 id="_x0000_i1025"
src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"><br>
<br>
In the long run, whatever happens, happens. The point of the whole discussion
is to bring about new and possibly format changing ideas that we all may find
hope in and try those ideas. Change is good sometimes. With the high amount
of intelligence amongst our group, we ought to be able to figure out a way to
do this IMO. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Mon, 8/3/09, Atwood, Mark <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Matrix improvements<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:06 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>This is really the ONLY issue at hand. Proper
seeding becomes vital to both formats. In the Matrix system, two
“weaker” (no bashing, just being honest) groups will normalize
very high to one another on the day they fly against each other
knocking out some of the pilots from the other groups who are forced to
always normalize against one of the stronger pilots (in this years case that
was Arch and Frak). </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The 4 mini contests does a better job with the math
(your at least not trying to force normalization with equal exposure) but in
contrast, the idea of taking the top 2 or 3 from each group assumes that one
group won’t have 4 of the best pilots. Not the best assumption
given the inconsistent attendance that many have at the nats. No way to
seed beyond the top 3-4 people that we have experience with.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>In both cases…people have to stay true to the
“Goal”. Which is really to make sure that the top 3 guys
make the finals. We’re trying to pick the National Champion, not
the 5,6,7 and 8<sup>th</sup> place guys. Taking 8 to the finals
in EITHER format does a good job of ensuring that the top 3 are in the finals
and have a fair, well judged event to choose the champion.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I think any format we choose is likely to err when it
comes to the 8,9,10 place individuals. That would be a problem if we
were only taking 3 to the finals. The idea of taking 8 purposely
mitigates that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>It’s even less of an issue in FAI where 20 fly
in a full exposure format to choose the finalists and they still take 8 to
choose the top guys. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 03, 2009
1:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Matrix improvements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Seeding would be
very critical in this just like seeding is critical in the current matrix
system as well. I'll give you a good example... had Glen Watson showed
up wouldn't that have affected some pilots in his group? With Glen not
being there that group became an "easy" group and the normalized
scores reflected that relative to the other groups. I'm not trying to
diminish anyone's flying efforts here but I think the ED should adjust the
flying groups based on attendance if necessary in order to level the playing
field for everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Aug 3,
2009 at 10:43 AM, Mark Hunt <<a href="/mc/compose?to=flyintexan@att.net"
target="_blank"><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>flyintexan@att.net</span></font></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I too would like
to see an article on this. No offense, but initially it is unclear to
me how this would give any better exposure of pilots to the same
judges/conditions than the current matrix system allows for. Would
seeding not become even more critical in this scenario?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Monday, August 3, 2009 11:56:34
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Matrix improvements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Maybe Jerry could detail this in a Kfactor article. Perhaps could be
used at locals to help with an oversized Masters group.<br>
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Anthony<br>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Thu, 30
Jul 2009 15:45:19 -0700<br>
From: <a href="/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'>derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</span></font></a><br>
To: <a href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><font
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jerry Budd had a
good suggestion in running 4 mini-contests for 6 rounds where each pilot
would fly against their group for 6 straight rounds and then the top 3 from
each group would fly in the finals. I'm leaning toward this because the
current format does not work. We also need to do something about FAI -
because there isn't equal exposure there either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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2009 at 2:41 PM, John Fuqua <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Every Nats I
went to that had all events in 2 weeks ended up screwing<br>
Pattern out of time or space. It never failed. I am against it
even<br>
thought I liked to go see other events. We cannot do a first rate job
when<br>
we compete for runway space and days to fly.<br>
<br>
I thought AMA wanted to reduce Nats costs. Moving them around does not
do<br>
that if you look at history and read up you will find a consistent comment<br>
about reducing Nats costs. NPAC was fully funded by the pilots and it
cost<br>
more than a typical Nats so factor that in.<br>
<br>
No one has addressed the equal exposure to judges issues for the current<br>
format yet and Mike's proposal does not correct that situation for Masters.<br>
I had one person suggest to me that if we continue to use the Matrix system<br>
that we take the top 3 pilots from each "Group" to a 3 round
finals. At<br>
least then we have equal judging exposure and more or less equal weather<br>
exposure per round.<br>
<br>
John<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Behalf Of Tony<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:56 PM<br>
To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?<br>
<br>
That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning the NATS to
a 2<br>
week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are together,
HQ<br>
can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up, Each group<br>
would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't send a<br>
group of people to every site.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
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Radio South, Inc.<br>
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139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box</st1:Street>
322</st1:address><br>
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<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Brunswick</st1:City>, <st1:State
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1-800-962-7802<br>
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On Behalf Of Tim Taylor<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?<br>
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<br>
It was done, It was called NPAC<br>
<br>
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Tim<br>
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--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <<a
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll -
Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>" <<a
href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><font
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Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM<br>
<br>
Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC
and NSRCA do not<br>
need to share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon<br>
knows what venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as<br>
well. Why tie soaring and FF together and so on??<br>
<br>
<br>
Tony wrote:<br>
<br>
Matt:<br>
Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is
actually feasible. The<br>
problem is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will<br>
require another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very
difficult<br>
to actually find places that can handle this group.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
<br>
Radio South, Inc.<br>
<br>
139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box</st1:Street>
322</st1:address><br>
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<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Brunswick</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">GA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">31525</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
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1-800-962-7802<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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