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I think we are making this more difficult than necessary (not aimed at
anyone in particular - I just jumped in on Chris's response). We go
through the process of weighing the potential winners and finalists
already - why not just mandate that the officials APPLY the rule that
already exists. No lee way or interpretation necessary. Why weigh and
measure if we are going to say "oh never mind, that's ok" when they
fail inspection. If they had applied the existing rule, this
discussion would not be going on. To implement a new procedure
(weighing all at check in) is going to need a bunch of extra help to do
and do we really want to have somebody inventory EVERY item on the
plane too in order to ensure they don't change props, wheels, rx
battery, etc after inspection? Who is going to volunteer to do that to
100+ airplanes? The current way has worked just fine and would still be
fine IF THE RULE AS IT EXISTS WAS APPLIED. Simple. Let's not make an
overly elaborate witch hunt in response to what happened.<br>
<br>
Chris (the other one)<br>
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krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
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valign="top">Where do they weigh at a worlds event? Outside in the
wind?<br>
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Just curious. <br>
<br>
Thx!<br>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca">dkrev@shaw.ca</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dkrev@shaw.ca"><dkrev@shaw.ca></a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
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Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:30 PM<br>
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<div class="plainMail">We got weighed after each round at the
worlds..... Just saying :-)<br>
Sent from Dave's Crackberry<br>
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:35:25 <br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing<br>
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Better be prepared to weigh 4 or 5 sets of batteries with each
competitor as<br>
well as airplanes. <br>
<br>
That's the thing with glow. Only dry weight counts. You can load as
much<br>
fuel as you wish to any weight! Electric stuck at a fixed max T.O.
Weight.<br>
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:37 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
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I don't see an issue with this... we will put a sticker on all items<br>
including all packs that a competitor will use. If a competitor really<br>
wants to cheat then they will do it... nothing we can do will stop that.<br>
I'm also hoping that random inspections will keep people honest and the
fear<br>
that if you do fail then you will be disqualified.<br>
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jay Marshall <<a
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wrote:<br>
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I have some concern that the proposals put forward will really work.<br>
If the plane is inspected at check-in then there is too much
opportunity to<br>
change things. In particular, batteries, which are a normally removable<br>
item, can be changed to decrease on increase the weight. Do we
"sticker" the<br>
battery pack? This means the plane must be disassembled for inspection
and<br>
that only that battery pack can be used. At present fuel tanks can also
be<br>
under/over filled to adjust ballast for windy conditions.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If this is a serious problem, perhaps there are other solutions. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Planes could be placed in an impound/inspection area immediately<br>
before a flight and fully fueled. The inspection could happen here and<br>
shouldn't delay the flow of the contest.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Another possibility is to adopt a "standard" weight for a battery<br>
pack, then weigh electric planes empty. The "standard" could change as<br>
technology changes.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As John Pavlick will tell you, all major race winners undergo a<br>
teardown and inspection.<br>
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Jay Marshall <br>
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