<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Some more volunteers will be needed to make this all work . . . . . <br><div> </div>Bob Kane<br>getterflash@yahoo.com<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:25:07 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Excellent idea.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Also, I think we do the intermediate pilots a disservice by
assuming they’re overwhelmed. There are as many destination Intermediate
pilots as there are Masters. They’re not all beginners and would appreciate
some respect for their level of accomplishment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Honestly I think we currently do the same for the Masters
pilots. They’re finals is almost an afterthought compared to FAI. We need
to celebrate and respect each level somewhat equally. We all know the top
dogs are the FAI finalists… but that shouldn’t diminish the accomplishment of
the lower class victors.</span></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Konneker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Why
not let the NSRCA ask this year's Nats Intermediate pilots how they feel about
a finals being added?<br>
JLK<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">From: drmikedds@sbcglobal.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:09:18 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree with Earl that intermediate is in a big learning curve
and coming to the nats ,competing at that level, learning the ropes, taking it
all in, seeing all the other flyers, competing for 3 days,etc. should be more
than enough for these newcomers. </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The banquet can make that night sort of special for these
intermediate pilots as well. They can give out the trophies and prizes
for these pilots. There wonderfully are many young and new pilots that can
celebrate at this time. The finalists for the next day can be announced
also. </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>michael s
harrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> michael s harrison
[mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Don Ramsey'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> nats format</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">After
considerable thought and reflection, I would like to share my views of the nats
and the classes flown. I believe we have been very fortunate to have an
excellent group of volunteers that work and sacrifice to make the nats
happen. That group is led by the event director Dave Guerin, who has
worked tirelessly and unselfishly for years at this job. I believe he has
responded to our desires to make this the best national event possible.
With that in mind, there are some changes I believe we can make that would be a
win-win for everyone and reduce the workload as well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">They
are:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">1.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Have a
finals for advanced</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">a.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">8 finalists</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">b.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">3 rounds</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">c.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Judged by advanced
or intermediate judges(qualified volunteers)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">d.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">The site is open so
it is not a space issue</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">e.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">24 flights would
take app 3 hours</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">f.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Do on 4<sup>th</sup>
day</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">g.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count the prelims
as a 1000 normalized score</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">h.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count 3 of 4 scores
for the winner</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">2.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Modify
masters accordingly</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">a.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">3 round finals</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">b.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count prelims as a
1000 normalized score</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">c.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count 3 of 4 for
the winner</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">d.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">10 finalists</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">e.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">30 flights about
5.5 hours</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">3.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;">
</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Fai</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">a.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">3 rounds final</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">b.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">F-11 flown 1 time</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">c.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Each
unknown(1&2) flown once</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">d.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count the
semi-final F-11 scores only as a single 1000 normalized score</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">e.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Count 3 of 4 for
the winner</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">f.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">10 finalists</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">g.</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">30 flights about
5.5 hours</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Rationale
behind changes:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Advanced
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">This
would make for a very exciting and fun event for the advanced class. It
would make the 4<sup>th</sup> day a very real part of the nats for them.
This format is totally self contained with no additional personnel
required. It could be started and finished before the masters and fai is
done. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Masters
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Masters
is in a real sense an endurance contest. How many times does someone have
to fly the same sequence to prove he is the best in that class. The
present system is 10 times! The only argument is the equal exposure
issue-which may have merit. The system I propose addresses that
issue and takes less time. I raised the number of finalists to 10 to
close the argument that someone is cutout of the finals because of unequal
exposure. Counting the prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a legitimate
score to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a number of
variables. Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal exposure, etc.), the
competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern. Any 3 flights count so
the prelims score can be dropped. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">FAI</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">The
argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world event in the
semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and the pool is so large
that conditions can change substantially over the course of doing the
semifinals. This rationale wouldn’t apply at the nats. The
semifinals at the nats is only 2 flights with 20 pilots, using the prelim score
as a 1000 normalized score. Therefore, the 2 F patterns can be combined
to be a score carried over into the finals event. The finals then becomes
a single F pattern and 2 unknowns. Count 3 of 4 scores. I
would recommend doing the F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns. I
believe all the other pilots would love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some
of the best pilots in the world. It would be a showcase event. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">To
conclude:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">I
believe this is a win-win for everyone. We would add finals to advanced;
both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened; the best pilots would be
showcased; more pilots would be in the finals; fewer personnel to do the
finals. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">There
is no perfect system. I am sure there will be objections of some kind,
but I believe this system has real merit and should be implemented. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Respectfully</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Mike
Harrison</span></p>
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