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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As per my article, the advanced finals is self contained with
its non finalists and intermediates that would volunteer. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Kane<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Some more volunteers will be needed to make this all work .
. . . . <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Bob Kane<br>
getterflash@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> "Atwood, Mark"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:25:07 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Excellent idea.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, I think we do the intermediate pilots a disservice by
assuming they’re overwhelmed. There are as many destination Intermediate
pilots as there are Masters. They’re not all beginners and would
appreciate some respect for their level of accomplishment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Honestly I think we currently do the same for the Masters
pilots. They’re finals is almost an afterthought compared to
FAI. We need to celebrate and respect each level somewhat
equally. We all know the top dogs are the FAI finalists… but that
shouldn’t diminish the accomplishment of the lower class victors.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Konneker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Why
not let the NSRCA ask this year's Nats Intermediate pilots how they feel about
a finals being added?<br>
JLK<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: drmikedds@sbcglobal.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:09:18 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree with Earl that intermediate is in a big learning curve
and coming to the nats ,competing at that level, learning the ropes, taking it
all in, seeing all the other flyers, competing for 3 days,etc. should be more
than enough for these newcomers. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The banquet can make that night sort of special for these
intermediate pilots as well. They can give out the trophies and prizes
for these pilots. There wonderfully are many young and new pilots that can
celebrate at this time. The finalists for the next day can be announced
also. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>michael s
harrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> michael s harrison
[mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Don Ramsey'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> nats format</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>After
considerable thought and reflection, I would like to share my views of the nats
and the classes flown. I believe we have been very fortunate to have an excellent
group of volunteers that work and sacrifice to make the nats happen. That
group is led by the event director Dave Guerin, who has worked tirelessly and
unselfishly for years at this job. I believe he has responded to our
desires to make this the best national event possible. With that in mind,
there are some changes I believe we can make that would be a win-win for
everyone and reduce the workload as well. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>They
are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Have a finals for
advanced</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>8
finalists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3
rounds</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Judged
by advanced or intermediate judges(qualified volunteers)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The
site is open so it is not a space issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>24
flights would take app 3 hours</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>f.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Do on
4<sup>th</sup> day</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>g.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
the prelims as a 1000 normalized score</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>h.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
3 of 4 scores for the winner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Modify masters
accordingly</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3
round finals</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
prelims as a 1000 normalized score</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
3 of 4 for the winner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>10
finalists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>30
flights about 5.5 hours</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Fai</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3
rounds final</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>F-11
flown 1 time</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Each
unknown(1&2) flown once</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
the semi-final F-11 scores only as a single 1000 normalized score</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count
3 of 4 for the winner</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>f.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>10
finalists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>g.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>30
flights about 5.5 hours</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Rationale
behind changes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This
would make for a very exciting and fun event for the advanced class. It
would make the 4<sup>th</sup> day a very real part of the nats for them.
This format is totally self contained with no additional personnel
required. It could be started and finished before the masters and fai is
done. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Masters
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Masters
is in a real sense an endurance contest. How many times does someone have
to fly the same sequence to prove he is the best in that class. The
present system is 10 times! The only argument is the equal exposure
issue-which may have merit. The system I propose addresses that
issue and takes less time. I raised the number of finalists to 10 to
close the argument that someone is cutout of the finals because of unequal
exposure. Counting the prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a
legitimate score to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a
number of variables. Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal exposure,
etc.), the competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern. Any 3 flights
count so the prelims score can be dropped. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>FAI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The
argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world event in the
semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and the pool is so large
that conditions can change substantially over the course of doing the
semifinals. This rationale wouldn’t apply at the nats. The
semifinals at the nats is only 2 flights with 20 pilots, using the prelim score
as a 1000 normalized score. Therefore, the 2 F patterns can be combined
to be a score carried over into the finals event. The finals then becomes
a single F pattern and 2 unknowns. Count 3 of 4 scores. I
would recommend doing the F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns. I believe
all the other pilots would love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some of the
best pilots in the world. It would be a showcase event. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>To
conclude:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
believe this is a win-win for everyone. We would add finals to advanced;
both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened; the best pilots would be
showcased; more pilots would be in the finals; fewer personnel to do the
finals. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>There
is no perfect system. I am sure there will be objections of some kind,
but I believe this system has real merit and should be implemented. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Respectfully</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Mike
Harrison</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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