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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'll help
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> "Atwood,
Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:39:17 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br>
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Agreed. This is no different than attending the pilots meeting.
Check in, weigh in, etc. I would argue you could get one or two people
willing to facilitate and monitor it in exchange for their judging duties (I
would be one! )<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Archie Stafford<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:01 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br>
<br>
I think that part is easy. Dont give them a choice. It becomes part of <br>
what is required. If everyone starts early it wouldnt be that bad. <br>
Only takes a max of 2-3 minutes a plane.<br>
<br>
Arch<br>
<br>
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On Jul 30, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ron Van Putte <<a
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> If all airplanes that compete will be weighed/measured on the day of
<br>
> checkin, there had better be a non-flying group to do the job. <br>
> Competitors are not likely to be willing to spend the whole day <br>
> weighing/measuring up to 150 airplanes (many pilots have backup <br>
> airplanes) when they could be out practicing.<br>
><br>
> Ron VP<br>
> .<br>
> On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Mike,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for responding. The board discussed a lot of these
ideas <br>
>> the week after the Nats and we’ve been working on a list of
stuff <br>
>> that we’re going to ask Dave to implement next year. Pretty
much <br>
>> what you’ve outlined below is in that list with some variations.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> We’re also going to fully enforce weight/size on all planes that c <br>
>> ompete – everyone will be weighed and measured on the day of check <br>
>> -in – each plane will be “stickered” as they qualify and if <br>
>> anyone fails to make weight or size then they’ll have the whole da <br>
>> y on check-in day to make modifications but will need to be weighe <br>
>> d and measured again before the check-in period ends (and pass) be <br>
>> fore they’ll be allowed to fly. Random weight checks will also
be <br>
>> made throughout the event (random process to be determined
later).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -Derek<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca- <br>
>> <a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of michael s harrison<br>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:30 AM<br>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: michael s harrison [mailto:<a
href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM<br>
>> To: 'Don Ramsey'<br>
>> Subject: nats format<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> After considerable thought and reflection, I would like to share
my <br>
>> views of the nats and the classes flown. I believe we have
been <br>
>> very fortunate to have an excellent group of volunteers that
work <br>
>> and sacrifice to make the nats happen. That group is led by
the <br>
>> event director Dave Guerin, who has worked tirelessly and <br>
>> unselfishly for years at this job. I believe he has responded
to <br>
>> our desires to make this the best national event possible.
With <br>
>> that in mind, there are some changes I believe we can make that <br>
>> would be a win-win for everyone and reduce the workload as well.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> They are:<br>
>><br>
>> 1. Have a finals for advanced<br>
>><br>
>> a. 8 finalists<br>
>><br>
>> b. 3 rounds<br>
>><br>
>> c. Judged by advanced or intermediate
judges(qualified <br>
>> volunteers)<br>
>><br>
>> d. The site is open so it is not a space issue<br>
>><br>
>> e. 24 flights would take app 3 hours<br>
>><br>
>> f. Do on 4th day<br>
>><br>
>> g. Count the prelims as a 1000 normalized score<br>
>><br>
>> h. Count 3 of 4 scores for the winner<br>
>><br>
>> 2. Modify masters accordingly<br>
>><br>
>> a. 3 round finals<br>
>><br>
>> b. Count prelims as a 1000 normalized score<br>
>><br>
>> c. Count 3 of 4 for the winner<br>
>><br>
>> d. 10 finalists<br>
>><br>
>> e. 30 flights about 5.5 hours<br>
>><br>
>> 3. Fai<br>
>><br>
>> a. 3 rounds final<br>
>><br>
>> b. F-11 flown 1 time<br>
>><br>
>> c. Each unknown(1&2) flown once<br>
>><br>
>> d. Count the semi-final F-11 scores only as a
single 1000 <br>
>> normalized score<br>
>><br>
>> e. Count 3 of 4 for the winner<br>
>><br>
>> f. 10 finalists<br>
>><br>
>> g. 30 flights about 5.5 hours<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Rationale behind changes:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Advanced<br>
>><br>
>> This would make for a very exciting and fun event for the
advanced <br>
>> class. It would make the 4th day a very real part of the nats
for <br>
>> them. This format is totally self contained with no additional
<br>
>> personnel required. It could be started and finished before
the <br>
>> masters and fai is done.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Masters<br>
>><br>
>> Masters is in a real sense an endurance contest. How many
times <br>
>> does someone have to fly the same sequence to prove he is the
best <br>
>> in that class. The present system is 10 times! The only
argument <br>
>> is the equal exposure issue-which may have merit. The system
I <br>
>> propose addresses that issue and takes less time. I raised
the <br>
>> number of finalists to 10 to close the argument that someone is <br>
>> cutout of the finals because of unequal exposure. Counting
the <br>
>> prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a legitimate
score <br>
>> to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a
number <br>
>> of variables. Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal
exposure, <br>
>> etc.), the competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern. Any
3 <br>
>> flights count so the prelims score can be dropped.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> FAI<br>
>><br>
>> The argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world
event <br>
>> in the semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and
<br>
>> the pool is so large that conditions can change substantially
over <br>
>> the course of doing the semifinals. This rationale wouldn’t
apply <br>
>> at the nats. The semifinals at the nats is only 2 flights
with 2 <br>
>> 0 pilots, using the prelim score as a 1000 normalized score.
Ther <br>
>> efore, the 2 F patterns can be combined to be a score carried over <br>
>> into the finals event. The finals then becomes a single F
patter <br>
>> n and 2 unknowns. Count 3 of 4 scores. I would recommend
doing <br>
>> the F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns. I believe all the
othe <br>
>> r pilots would love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some of the <br>
>> best pilots in the world. It would be a showcase event.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> To conclude:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I believe this is a win-win for everyone. We would add finals
to <br>
>> advanced; both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened;
the <br>
>> best pilots would be showcased; more pilots would be in the
finals; <br>
>> fewer personnel to do the finals.<br>
>><br>
>> There is no perfect system. I am sure there will be objections
of <br>
>> some kind, but I believe this system has real merit and should
be <br>
>> implemented.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Respectfully<br>
>><br>
>> Mike Harrison<br>
>><br>
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