<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I'll help Mark...... he needs it, and I know just how to handle him.<br><div> </div><font color="#4040ff" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);" size="3">Bill Pritchett<br>Souled Out Entertainment<br><font size="2"><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.souledoutentertainment.biz">www.souledoutentertainment.biz</a></span></font><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></font><font size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">765-744-9322</span><br style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><br></span></span></font></font><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:39:17 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br></font><br>
Agreed. This is no different than attending the pilots meeting. Check in, weigh in, etc. I would argue you could get one or two people willing to facilitate and monitor it in exchange for their judging duties (I would be one! )<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford<br>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:01 PM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br><br>I think that part is easy. Dont give them a choice. It becomes part of <br>what is required. If everyone starts early it wouldnt be that bad. <br>Only takes a max of
2-3 minutes a plane.<br><br>Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jul 30, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Ron Van Putte <<a ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> If all airplanes that compete will be weighed/measured on the day of <br>> checkin, there had better be a non-flying group to do the job. <br>> Competitors are not likely to be willing to spend the whole day <br>> weighing/measuring up to 150 airplanes (many pilots have backup <br>> airplanes) when they could be out practicing.<br>><br>> Ron VP<br>> .<br>> On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<br>><br>>> Mike,<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Thanks for responding. The board discussed a lot of these ideas <br>>> the week after the Nats and we’ve been working on a list of stuff <br>>> that we’re going to ask Dave
to implement next year. Pretty much <br>>> what you’ve outlined below is in that list with some variations.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> We’re also going to fully enforce weight/size on all planes that c <br>>> ompete – everyone will be weighed and measured on the day of check <br>>> -in – each plane will be “stickered” as they qualify and if <br>>> anyone fails to make weight or size then they’ll have the whole da <br>>> y on check-in day to make modifications but will need to be weighe <br>>> d and measured again before the check-in period ends (and pass) be <br>>> fore they’ll be allowed to fly. Random weight checks will also be <br>>> made throughout the event (random process to be determined later).<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -Derek<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> From: <a
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca- <br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of michael s harrison<br>>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:30 AM<br>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> From: michael s harrison [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>]<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM<br>>> To: 'Don Ramsey'<br>>> Subject: nats format<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> After considerable thought and reflection, I would
like to share my <br>>> views of the nats and the classes flown. I believe we have been <br>>> very fortunate to have an excellent group of volunteers that work <br>>> and sacrifice to make the nats happen. That group is led by the <br>>> event director Dave Guerin, who has worked tirelessly and <br>>> unselfishly for years at this job. I believe he has responded to <br>>> our desires to make this the best national event possible. With <br>>> that in mind, there are some changes I believe we can make that <br>>> would be a win-win for everyone and reduce the workload as well.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> They are:<br>>><br>>> 1. Have a finals for advanced<br>>><br>>> a. 8 finalists<br>>><br>>> b. 3
rounds<br>>><br>>> c. Judged by advanced or intermediate judges(qualified <br>>> volunteers)<br>>><br>>> d. The site is open so it is not a space issue<br>>><br>>> e. 24 flights would take app 3 hours<br>>><br>>> f. Do on 4th day<br>>><br>>> g. Count the prelims as a 1000 normalized score<br>>><br>>> h. Count 3 of 4 scores for the winner<br>>><br>>> 2. Modify masters accordingly<br>>><br>>> a. 3 round finals<br>>><br>>> b. Count prelims as a 1000 normalized score<br>>><br>>> c. Count 3 of 4 for the winner<br>>><br>>> d. 10 finalists<br>>><br>>> e. 30
flights about 5.5 hours<br>>><br>>> 3. Fai<br>>><br>>> a. 3 rounds final<br>>><br>>> b. F-11 flown 1 time<br>>><br>>> c. Each unknown(1&2) flown once<br>>><br>>> d. Count the semi-final F-11 scores only as a single 1000 <br>>> normalized score<br>>><br>>> e. Count 3 of 4 for the winner<br>>><br>>> f. 10 finalists<br>>><br>>> g. 30 flights about 5.5 hours<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Rationale behind changes:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Advanced<br>>><br>>> This would make for a very exciting and fun event for the advanced <br>>> class. It would make the 4th day a very real part of the nats for
<br>>> them. This format is totally self contained with no additional <br>>> personnel required. It could be started and finished before the <br>>> masters and fai is done.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Masters<br>>><br>>> Masters is in a real sense an endurance contest. How many times <br>>> does someone have to fly the same sequence to prove he is the best <br>>> in that class. The present system is 10 times! The only argument <br>>> is the equal exposure issue-which may have merit. The system I <br>>> propose addresses that issue and takes less time. I raised the <br>>> number of finalists to 10 to close the argument that someone is <br>>> cutout of the finals because of unequal exposure. Counting the <br>>> prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a
legitimate score <br>>> to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a number <br>>> of variables. Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal exposure, <br>>> etc.), the competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern. Any 3 <br>>> flights count so the prelims score can be dropped.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> FAI<br>>><br>>> The argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world event <br>>> in the semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and <br>>> the pool is so large that conditions can change substantially over <br>>> the course of doing the semifinals. This rationale wouldn’t apply <br>>> at the nats. The semifinals at the nats is only 2 flights with 2 <br>>> 0 pilots, using the prelim score as a 1000 normalized score. Ther <br>>> efore, the 2 F
patterns can be combined to be a score carried over <br>>> into the finals event. The finals then becomes a single F patter <br>>> n and 2 unknowns. Count 3 of 4 scores. I would recommend doing <br>>> the F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns. I believe all the othe <br>>> r pilots would love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some of the <br>>> best pilots in the world. It would be a showcase event.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> To conclude:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> I believe this is a win-win for everyone. We would add finals to <br>>> advanced; both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened; the <br>>> best pilots would be showcased; more pilots would be in the finals; <br>>> fewer personnel to do the finals.<br>>><br>>> There is no perfect system. I am sure there will be
objections of <br>>> some kind, but I believe this system has real merit and should be <br>>> implemented.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Respectfully<br>>><br>>> Mike Harrison<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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