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Verne,<BR>
Someone stated the rulebook allows the maneuver to be displaced for the sun.<BR>
Can you point me in that direction?<BR>
JLK<BR> <BR>
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From: verne@twmi.rr.com<BR>To: jpavlick@idseng.com; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:05:39 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Collision Avoidance Breaks<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From the AMA Rulebook:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">10.3: </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the case of a collision during a Pattern flight, the contestants must immediately recover their aircraft. They may resume their flights with the same aircraft if the aircraft are judged to be airworthy or with a backup or repaired aircraft. They will begin with the maneuver that was in progress or with the next scheduled maneuver if the collision occurred between maneuvers. The previously defined starting times will apply for a resumed flight and the contestant will be allowed no more than two (2) passes in front of the judges for the purpose of trimming the plane. Scores of the previous maneuvers will be added to the scores of subsequent maneuvers in the resumed flight. The flight must be completed by the end of the round being flown, or within a time frame designated by the CD.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hope this helps though it’s little comfort when put to use,</SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Verne Koester</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Pavlick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 27, 2009 2:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Collision Avoidance Breaks</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>Bill,</P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>That's correct. This is Pattern, not IMAC. In order to score maximum points for a maneuver you CANNOT make any attempt to avoid a midair even if you're absolutely sure that one is about to happen. VBG</P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>Should a midair occur however, you will unfortunately zero all remaining maneuvers, as well as the landing. Depending upon whether or not you completed the maneuver during which the midair occurred, you may also lose points. For example if you complete only 2 of the required 4 points of a 4-point roll and then midair, you will zero the 4-point roll. :(</P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>My advice to you: if you can foresee a midair, by all means avoid it, land the plane and go buy some lottery tickets. Then you won't have to worry about it happening again. LOL</P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 7/27/09, Archie Stafford <I><astafford@swtexas.net></I></B> wrote:</P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR>From: Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Collision Avoidance Breaks<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:06 PM</P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal>This is not a rule in pattern. There is virtually no way to be certain of<BR>an oncoming mid-air. If you are flying your plane then you really aren't<BR>going to be able to see the other plane either. I've seen some that looked<BR>very close, that probably really weren't and mid-air's that happened when<BR>they didn't look that close. <BR><BR>In IMAC where they have the rule you can call avoidance, I have twice seen<BR>people call avoidance thinking they are going to have a mid air and actually<BR>turn directly into the path of the other plane. Had they just stayed on<BR>their line they would've been fine. I think you are much better off, just<BR>flying and maintaining your line and if a mid air happens, it happens<BR>unfortunately, but the odds of turning away in time to avoid one is<BR>virtually impossible.<BR><BR>Mid-airs will happen as long as there are 2 planes in the air. Trying avoid<BR>them usually causes more problems than it solves.<BR><BR>Arch<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Bill's Email<BR>Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 12:58 PM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Collision Avoidance Breaks<BR><BR>I've looked over the rule book but I cannot find where this topic is <BR>mentioned.<BR><BR>Is it the case that if a pilot who maneuvers to avoid a collision is <BR>downgraded for doing so?<BR><BR>We can displace a figure to avoid the sun without penalty but you cannot <BR>avoid a mid-air without penalty?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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