<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Actually Dave, if we could fly large IMAC planes, our airframe cost would go down. <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"> Top of the line 40% IMAC planes cost less than an Oxai. <br><br><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 6/3/09, Dave <i><DaveL322@comcast.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Dave <DaveL322@comcast.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 1:24 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Jim,<br><br>Monoplanes are at 74" span now, and about 900 squares because
that is where<br>the current schedules have pushed the designs to. The wings don't need to<br>be any bigger for the 11 lb weight limit. But at 74" and 900 squares, there<br>is plenty of room to grow the monoplane bigger if the weight limit is<br>increased.<br><br>The bottom line doesn't change - bigger bipe, bigger monoplane, bigger any<br>plane will increase costs.<br><br>If you think pattern needs more cost and complexity, whether it be biplanes<br>or monoplanes, submit a proposal.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Dave<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of J N Hiller<br>Sent:
Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:03 PM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br><br>A monoplane will have higher wing loading. How high is too high?<br>Jim<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On Behalf Of Dave<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:57 AM<br>To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br><br><96 db, <2M, <11 lbs, and it is legal. Your challenge is to meet those<br>specs with whatever equipment you choose.<br><br>Raise any of those limits, and the cost and complexity of pattern goes up.<br>If you think what pattern
needs is more cost and complexity, submit the<br>proposal. And as Duane notes, the new breed of monoplanes will obsolete<br>your DA-50 Bipe.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Dave<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of J N Hiller<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:46 PM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br><br>I was thinking pattern legal DA-50.<br>Jim<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On Behalf Of Duane Beck<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:06 AM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br><br><a href="http://www.mini-iac.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mini-iac.com/</a><br>DA-50's and larger biplanes very common. Have at it. :-)<br><br>Duane<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "J N Hiller" <<a ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" href="/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>, "General pattern discussion"<br><<a
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:12:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br><br><br>Interesting discussion. I always felt the weight limit replaced the<br>displacement limit prevent the use of very large engines.<br><br>Remove it now and we will see DA-50 or larger biplanes. I have wanted to<br>build one for a long time.<br><br>Bring it on.<br><br>Jim Hiller<br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
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