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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That may be true....until Naruke starts designing 
Imac planes.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-mark</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com 
  href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org 
  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 03, 2009 
20:48</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
  Weight</DIV>
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      <TD vAlign=top>Actually Dave, if we could fly large IMAC planes, our 
        airframe cost would go down. <IMG 
        src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"> Top of 
        the line 40% IMAC planes cost less than an Oxai. <BR><BR>
        <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf size=3>Chris 
        </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 6/3/09, Dave <I>&lt;<A 
        href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>&gt;</I></B> 
        wrote:<BR>
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        style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: 
          Dave &lt;<A 
          href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: 
          Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" 
          &lt;<A 
          href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;<BR>Date: 
          Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 1:24 PM<BR><BR>
          <DIV class=plainMail>Jim,<BR><BR>Monoplanes are at 74" span now, and 
          about 900 squares because that is where<BR>the current schedules have 
          pushed the designs to.&nbsp; The wings don't need to<BR>be any bigger 
          for the 11 lb weight limit.&nbsp; But at 74" and 900 squares, 
          there<BR>is plenty of room to grow the monoplane bigger if the weight 
          limit is<BR>increased.<BR><BR>The bottom line doesn't change - bigger 
          bipe, bigger monoplane, bigger any<BR>plane will increase 
          costs.<BR><BR>If you think pattern needs more cost and complexity, 
          whether it be biplanes<BR>or monoplanes, submit a 
          proposal.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original 
          Message-----<BR>From: <A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] 
          On Behalf Of J N Hiller<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:03 
          PM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: 
          [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<BR><BR>A monoplane will have higher wing 
          loading. How high is too high?<BR>Jim<BR><BR>-----Original 
          Message-----<BR>From: <A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On 
          Behalf Of Dave<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:57 AM<BR>To: 
          'General pattern discussion'<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
          Weight<BR><BR>&lt;96 db, &lt;2M, &lt;11 lbs, and it is legal.&nbsp; 
          Your challenge is to meet those<BR>specs with whatever equipment you 
          choose.<BR><BR>Raise any of those limits, and the cost and complexity 
          of pattern goes up.<BR>If you think what pattern needs is more cost 
          and complexity, submit the<BR>proposal.&nbsp; And as Duane notes, the 
          new breed of monoplanes will obsolete<BR>your DA-50 
          Bipe.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR><BR>-----Original 
          Message-----<BR>From: <A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] 
          On Behalf Of J N Hiller<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:46 
          PM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: 
          [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<BR><BR>I was thinking pattern legal 
          DA-50.<BR>Jim<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:<A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On 
          Behalf Of Duane Beck<BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:06 AM<BR>To: 
          General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
          Weight<BR><BR><A href="http://www.mini-iac.com/" 
          target=_blank>http://www.mini-iac.com/</A><BR>DA-50's and larger 
          biplanes very common.&nbsp; Have at it.&nbsp; 
          :-)<BR><BR>Duane<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "J N 
          Hiller" &lt;<A href="/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" 
          ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>&gt;<BR>To: 
          <A href="/mc/compose?to=jpavlick@idseng.com" 
          ymailto="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>, "General 
          pattern discussion"<BR>&lt;<A 
          href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
          ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: 
          Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:12:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
          Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
          Weight<BR><BR><BR>Interesting discussion. I always felt the weight 
          limit replaced the<BR>displacement limit prevent the use of very large 
          engines.<BR><BR>Remove it now and we will see DA-50 or larger 
          biplanes. I have wanted to<BR>build one for a long time.<BR><BR>Bring 
          it on.<BR><BR>Jim 
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