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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Do I qualify as old guard??? I think
it was 1992 when Rick Allison said I was the old guy in the top of the Masters class
at the NATs because I was the only one who was legal to drink (just barely at
that).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is not about weight….it is about design
and wing loading (and fuse loading, with the huge fuses of current day
designs). I think the Vivat was (and is) a great flyer in the wind…and
it has about 1050 squ and 76” span (and builds at 10 – 10.25 lbs
glow). Hebert designs are certainly not shy on wing, and also fly well in
the wind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve yet to see “too light”,
but I’ve seen plenty of planes with too little wingloading (for a
particular design, or one built very lightly compared to the designer’s
intent). It was also in 1992 that I clipped the wingspan on my Dash Five
to increase the wingloading – at that time the “thinking” by
some (me included) was that somewhere around 100-110 squares of wing per pound
was the “sweet spot”. As the planes have gotten bigger (more
aerodynamic efficiency), horsepower has increased (easier to maintain speed on
the tops of maneuvers), and the schedules have changed (shifting to more
complex rolling and snapping maneuvers), the “sweet spot” for wing
loading has effectively increased – probably in the area of 85-95 squares
per lb.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think the reason many people prefer a
ballasted plane, is because they’ve not tried flying the same plane with
a smaller wing – I think what is actually preferred is the higher wing
loading. Given the relative ease of adding weight (compared to cutting or
changing the wing), adding weight is understandable for some in some instances.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Hester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 04, 2009
11:13 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Weight</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Careful, the old guard will call you a heretic! LOL</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>FWIW I agree, totally. I have the capability to build a 9 lb
VF3 but I will tell you fast, I don't want it. I flew the prototype at many
weights and configurations from 9.5 lbs to 10.7 and I will say without blinking
I prefer it in the mid-moderately high 10s. I just can't find any ill effects,
except a few certain areas in the F patterns where it digs slightly more. But
add wind to the equation and it feels like a foamy under 10 lbs. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Older designs and engines/power systems, yeah lighter was
ALWAYS better. Nowadays I'm not nearly as convinced.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Of course this is personal preference. I know for a fact a
few people whom I have a <st1:place w:st="on">LOT</st1:place> of respect for
will call this "wrong thinking" or maybe "ignorance". Nope,
I'm not still searching for what I like, I found it. And it weighs about 10.5
lbs =) But I won't try and convince anyone else of it. It ALL comes down to
personal preference. They aren't wrong either.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>And of course that brings up a valid counter point for
electrics.....ASSuming that a particular glow plane did fly better with a dry
weight of closer to 11 lbs, take off weight would be in the 12+ range. With the
electric version of the same plane limited to a take off weight of 11 lbs, the
comparable weight would be close to a 9.25 lb glow plane. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So the question becomes, is that good or bad?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Mike</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" title="homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan
fitzsimmons</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, June 04,
2009 9:53 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It penetrates the wind
better. I wouldn't think of flying and of my sailplanes unballasted in the
wind. They don't "fly" as good. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 6/4/09, Matthew Frederick <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">mjfrederick@cox.net</a>></span></i></span></b>
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From: Matthew Frederick <<a href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">mjfrederick@cox.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:49 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>A heavier plane doesn't necessarily fly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>better in the wind. The design is a more<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>important factor in windy conditions than <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>anything else.<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jun 3, 2009, at 8:36 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <<a
href="/mc/compose?to=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</a>>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit'>Where it isn't fair is in
takeoff weight, or even landing weight. A glow plane can put a 40 ounce
tank in if they want, they could fly at 13 lbs if they want to help ballast
the plane for heavy wind conditions. They could land at 12 lbs. Where
does a 11 lb weight matter with that? Doesn't seem right to me. Does this
mean I can add a fuel tank to my 10.5 lb Electric and ballast it where I
want it???? It would help me tremendously at the nats in the wind!!! This
argument is silly. There should be a takeoff weight rule. <br>
If you fly glow, and your plane is right at 11 lbs, and you can't make the
takeoff rule weight, then I guess you would be in the same boat as the E
guys are now.. The only people that seem to have a problem with change,
mostly seem to be the glow guys. <br>
IMO, there is no advantage to either in flight. I world class flyer could
beat us all with either. <br>
<br>
For those that think the size would increase with a weight change, then go
to a takeoff weight rule. I doubt it would happen then. <br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 6/3/09, J N Hiller <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank"
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From: J N Hiller <<a href="/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<<a href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 5:02 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>OH not me. I would vote against a weight increase. I'm
not a high tech guy<br>
and fly pattern on the cheap. This is still mostly about flying and<br>
considering my flying ability I don't feel I can buy enough points at any<br>
price to justify it, besides I like to build. I fly a home made 1.20 size<br>
72" wood airplane around 9 pounds with maybe an all up cost of about
$500<br>
(excellent pattern trainer in all classes).<br>
I might be able to make weight with a 2 ci glow now. I just thought that if<br>
the weight limit was removed we would see 12-14 pound airplanes with big
gas<br>
burners (IMAC crossover) and I would probably indulge, and yes a single 2m<br>
wing will easily carry the weight of a 50 cc but what about a DA 100? Twins<br>
run smooth.<br>
The real cost is traveling in both time away from home and $$, even for us<br>
non-competitive old guys, always has been, but I can't kick the habit.<br>
Besides pattern fliers make good friends.<br>
If I wasn't flying pattern I would be flying IMAC. Probably will anyway.<br>
Jim<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
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target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]On
Behalf Of Dave<br>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:24 PM<br>
To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
<br>
Jim,<br>
<br>
Monoplanes are at 74" span now, and about 900 squares because that is
where<br>
the current schedules have pushed the designs to. The wings don't
need to<br>
be any bigger for the 11 lb weight limit. But at 74" and 900
squares, there<br>
is plenty of room to grow the monoplane bigger if the weight limit is<br>
increased.<br>
<br>
The bottom line doesn't change - bigger bipe, bigger monoplane, bigger any<br>
plane will increase costs.<br>
<br>
If you think pattern needs more cost and complexity, whether it be biplanes<br>
or monoplanes, submit a proposal.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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A monoplane will have higher wing loading. How high is too high?<br>
Jim<br>
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<96 db, <2M, <11 lbs, and it is legal. Your challenge is to
meet those<br>
specs with whatever equipment you choose.<br>
<br>
Raise any of those limits, and the cost and complexity of pattern goes up.<br>
If you think what pattern needs is more cost and complexity, submit the<br>
proposal. And as Duane notes, the new breed of monoplanes will
obsolete<br>
your DA-50 Bipe.<br>
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Dave<br>
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I was thinking pattern legal DA-50.<br>
Jim<br>
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DA-50's and larger biplanes very common. Have at it. :-)<br>
<br>
Duane<br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
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Interesting discussion. I always felt the weight limit replaced the<br>
displacement limit prevent the use of very large engines.<br>
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Remove it now and we will see DA-50 or larger biplanes. I have wanted to<br>
build one for a long time.<br>
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Bring it on.<br>
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