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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“southern genetic mutations”… See Arch, I told you when you
left West Virginia you could fit in down south. </span><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chuck
Hochhalter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think
that there is definitely a clear picture of how our districts differ through
this discussion. In D6, those of us in masters are very aware of what it
takes to fly FAI. We look up to our FAi pilots for their knowledge,
guidance, support, encouragement and the challenge of flying against them in
cmopetition. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I flew FAI
right after p-09 came out so I WOULD NOT POINT OUT. I had so much support
from the FAI pilots encouraging and offering suggestions. Yes, we flew F
on sunday and I managed to not zero anything.... I had some 3's but still, I
understood the challenge and accepted it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>There is
not one pilot in our district that is not flying FAI because of our contest
structure... in fact, it has strengthened our district and the number of top
pilots. In D6, we have one of the largest contingents of NATS pilots
around.. even with a 19 hour drive to get there. We support, encourage
and eagerly await our districts pilots trip to NATS and their success.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>NATS is a
chance to test yourself against your peers on a different stage.... looking at
D6 and their track record of developing top pilots, I can’t condemn them for
the way they run their contests, seems to produce winners to me. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If you want
to argue superior southern genetic mutations, then of course that is another
thread altogether.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chuck
Hochhalter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com"
title="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link">krishlan
fitzsimmons</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Monday, May 18,
2009 8:22 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
stirring the pot..;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>IMO, for many, the point of flying pattern isn't to go to the nats. If
this was the case, we would have about 125 pattern pilots. The point of
flying pattern to many in my district varies, but not many want to go to the
nats. Now this being said, I do want to go, still in Masters this year, but
next year I will fly FAI. My thought is that if I want to fly 2 rounds of F
at a contest, I can choose to do this, but they will be my throw away rounds.
The pilot who doesn't want to practice F shouldn't be forced to fly it, or
have his rounds thrown away just because the pilots who go to the nats want
local contests flown how the nats are. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I would assume that most FAI nats pilots don't care about the trophy
anyway, so we could judge them all 6 rounds of F if they want. As a
masters pilot, I like judging the F sequence. I support it being flown, and
judged at locals, however, I don't think it should be forced to be flown at a
local. Just my opinion. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Think about this, try the system of flying both sequences at a contest,
now throw in us, or imagine yourself being one of the masters guys who want
to move up. Would you want to be forced to learn two sequences just to move
up and fly a contest? Or be forced to take two zero rounds because you just
moved up and haven't had time to learn two sequences? Many would stay in
Masters I would guess. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><em><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000BF'>Chris </span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Mon, 5/18/09, Archie Stafford <i><astafford@swtexas.net></i></b>
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From: Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:14 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well,
I’m probably going to get crucified for this email, but that’s OK..won’t be
the first time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First,
pattern is SUPPOSED to be competition. And unfortunately whether we
like it or not, at some level the point is geared toward the NATS. If
guys don’t want to fly 2 FAI schedules, fine, then drop back and fly
Masters. Frankly this years Master’s sequence is tougher than the P09
sequence. The guys who do fly FAI and do plan on attending the NATS
should get the opportunity to fly both at a local contest. They
are the guys that deserve a chance to be as ready for the NATS as
possible. The quality of flying in these districts flying both has
GREATLY improved and the results show it at the NATS. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All
of these recent emails have been about what people can’t do, instead of
accepting it should be a challenge. Some maneuvers are meant to be
tough. Masters should not be an easy sequence for someone who finishes
31<sup>st</sup> (just an example)at the NATS. Even the guys who win the
NATS in the lower classes should not be flying 9 and 9.5 on every
maneuver. This is supposed to be a challenge. If the sequence you
are flying is too tough, then the provisions are there to drop back and fly a
lower class. Life does get in the way sometimes…I missed all of last
year, but that doesn’t mean we make sequences so that the guy who can only
fly 3 or 4 times a month should be able to fly it well. I’ve been
working on this sequence committee stuff and sometimes after reading some of
the stuff, I think we should adopt the old Novice sequence for Masters so
that it is easy enough for everyone to fly. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve
seen way too many times lower class guys that start a season having a rough
time, but with help and practice by the end of the year they are flying it
well and have learned what they are supposed to have learned and are ready to
move on and are excited about the improvements they have seen. We need
to quit making sequences and rules for the guys who have a tough time
learning something and make it challenging for the people at the top of that
given class. There is a reason that you don’t have to move out of lower
classes until you are ready and why there are provisions for people to drop
back and fly lower classes if life gets in the way or for whatever
reason. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We
keep coming up with reasons why we shouldn’t have tougher sequences, but
honestly that is part of the reason IMAC grew so quickly. People were
scared of the unknowns and tougher sequences at first, but they also accepted
them as a challenge. And a lot of guys have continued to fly IMAC for
this reason. Many pattern people have jumped over as well. I
don’t think I’ve ever heard an IMAc person come over to pattern saying IMAC
was too hard. But I have met a lot of IMAC guys that continue to
fly IMAC because the sequences change and they are very challenging.
There is no rule that says if you are uncomfortable with a maneuver that you
can’t bail out of it and take a zero. There are guys complaining about
maneuvers that I doubt they have even ever tried. I don’t think Masters
should be as tough as the F sequences in FAI, but it should be a challenging
class. The lower classes should be geared toward people learning the
proper skills and techniques to get them ready for Masters and if they choose
to, to move on to FAI. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
didn’t get to fly last year hardly at all because I was overseas, and when I
first flew this years Masters sequence it was tough and I had a lot to learn
about it, but I kept flying it and learned a lot about it. We need to
get back to remembering that this is a competition and that the people who
fly it, fly it to get better, even if they have no aspirations of
winning. We can’t keep dumbing down sequences just to make it easier
for someone. The older Novice and Sportsman sequences were much tougher
than what guys are flying today and people flew them with not nearly as good
of equipment. At the contest in Crowley this weekend, the winds were
swirling on Sunday and I’m sure, had we had 3 loops in the sequence, it
would’ve been interesting, but guys would’ve learned from it and at the next
contest would’ve done a better job. That is the point, we should be
challenged when we fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> I
think we will run off a lot more guys by making things too easy than we ever
will discourage from starting by making it too hard. The people who
want to compete are going to compete and those that don’t wont. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just
my .02</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Heading
to the field,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Arch</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave
Burton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
hope flying the F schedule at local contest doesn’t spread to D2. I have zero
interest in learning two FAI schedules and if it happens here I’ll join the
herds of people flying Masters. Isn’t it in the rules to fly F only in the
Nationals or Championship contest?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave
Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Hunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
have taken note that since we started flying the F pattern regularly on
Sunday at local contests (couple years now), we have been scoring it in such
a way that it is simply treated as a 6 round contest in which any combination
of the F and P sequences may be the drop rounds. I think the concensus
originaly being that not everyone is comfortable flying the F, allowing those
that only practice the P to be able to drop both F rounds (usually 2 F rounds
on Sunday).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hypothetically,
it could be run and tabulated in such a way that in a typical 6 round contest
of 4 P's and 2 F's, you would drop one P and one F. More of a Prelims
and Finals style.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It's
not any serious concern to me, but I am curious, what is the concensus
among FAI pilots now? Just keep it the same, or consider changing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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