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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As Archie states I too have been away from the
pattern trail for way too long. I bought a used plane from a friend
to keep up with the pattern. I found the new Masters schedule to
be just about right. As with the... "My wings will fold avalanche
to three maneuvers of whatever in a row" we have survived them and some of us
actually learned how to fly them well. What really impresses me the most
is when I am just casually flying at any flying field people notice.
People will say after a flight that "You sure fly that thing SMOOOTH" when
in reality I was probably all over the place. But they notice. It
certainly challenges me in most every way and I think that makes it "JUST ABOUT
RIGHT" .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's right Chuck.... you are the mutant I
am the northern transient.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne Galligan<BR></DIV>
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<A title=cahochhalter@yahoo.com href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">Chuck
Hochhalter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 18, 2009 10:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring
the pot..;)</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I think that there is definitely a clear picture of
how our districts differ through this discussion. In D6, those of us in
masters are very aware of what it takes to fly FAI. We look up to our
FAi pilots for their knowledge, guidance, support, encouragement and the
challenge of flying against them in cmopetition. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I flew FAI right after p-09 came out so I WOULD NOT
POINT OUT. I had so much support from the FAI pilots encouraging and
offering suggestions. Yes, we flew F on sunday and I managed to not zero
anything.... I had some 3's but still, I understood the challenge and accepted
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>There is not one pilot in our district that is not
flying FAI because of our contest structure... in fact, it has strengthened
our district and the number of top pilots. In D6, we have one of the
largest contingents of NATS pilots around.. even with a 19 hour drive to get
there. We support, encourage and eagerly await our districts pilots
trip to NATS and their success.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>NATS is a chance to test yourself against your peers
on a different stage.... looking at D6 and their track record of developing
top pilots, I can’t condemn them for the way they run their contests, seems to
produce winners to me. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>If you want to argue superior southern genetic
mutations, then of course that is another thread altogether.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chuck Hochhalter</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">krishlan fitzsimmons</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 18, 2009 8:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the
pot..;)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>IMO, for many, the point of flying pattern isn't to go to the nats.
If this was the case, we would have about 125 pattern pilots. The point
of flying pattern to many in my district varies, but not many want to go
to the nats. Now this being said, I do want to go, still in Masters this
year, but next year I will fly FAI. My thought is that if I want to fly
2 rounds of F at a contest, I can choose to do this, but they will be my
throw away rounds. The pilot who doesn't want to practice F shouldn't be
forced to fly it, or have his rounds thrown away just because the pilots
who go to the nats want local contests flown how the nats are. </P>
<P>I would assume that most FAI nats pilots don't care about the trophy
anyway, so we could judge them all 6 rounds of F if they want. As
a masters pilot, I like judging the F sequence. I support it being
flown, and judged at locals, however, I don't think it should be forced
to be flown at a local. Just my opinion. </P>
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<P>Think about this, try the system of flying both sequences at a
contest, now throw in us, or imagine yourself being one of the masters
guys who want to move up. Would you want to be forced to learn two
sequences just to move up and fly a contest? Or be forced to take two
zero rounds because you just moved up and haven't had time to learn two
sequences? Many would stay in Masters I would guess. </P>
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<P><STRONG><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms" color=#0000bf size=3>Chris
</FONT></EM></STRONG></P>
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<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/18/09, Archie Stafford
<I><astafford@swtexas.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)<BR>To: "'General pattern
discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday,
May 18, 2009, 4:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Well,
I’m probably going to get crucified for this email, but that’s
OK..won’t be the first time.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">First,
pattern is SUPPOSED to be competition. And unfortunately whether
we like it or not, at some level the point is geared toward the
NATS. If guys don’t want to fly 2 FAI schedules, fine, then drop
back and fly Masters. Frankly this years Master’s sequence is
tougher than the P09 sequence. The guys who do fly FAI and do
plan on attending the NATS should get the opportunity to fly both at a
local contest. They are the guys that deserve a chance to
be as ready for the NATS as possible. The quality of flying in
these districts flying both has GREATLY improved and the results show
it at the NATS. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">All
of these recent emails have been about what people can’t do, instead
of accepting it should be a challenge. Some maneuvers are meant
to be tough. Masters should not be an easy sequence for someone
who finishes 31<SUP>st</SUP> (just an example)at the NATS. Even
the guys who win the NATS in the lower classes should not be flying 9
and 9.5 on every maneuver. This is supposed to be a
challenge. If the sequence you are flying is too tough, then the
provisions are there to drop back and fly a lower class. Life
does get in the way sometimes…I missed all of last year, but that
doesn’t mean we make sequences so that the guy who can only fly 3 or 4
times a month should be able to fly it well. I’ve been working
on this sequence committee stuff and sometimes after reading some of
the stuff, I think we should adopt the old Novice sequence for Masters
so that it is easy enough for everyone to fly. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I’ve
seen way too many times lower class guys that start a season having a
rough time, but with help and practice by the end of the year they are
flying it well and have learned what they are supposed to have learned
and are ready to move on and are excited about the improvements they
have seen. We need to quit making sequences and rules for the
guys who have a tough time learning something and make it challenging
for the people at the top of that given class. There is a reason
that you don’t have to move out of lower classes until you are ready
and why there are provisions for people to drop back and fly lower
classes if life gets in the way or for whatever reason.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">We
keep coming up with reasons why we shouldn’t have tougher sequences,
but honestly that is part of the reason IMAC grew so quickly.
People were scared of the unknowns and tougher sequences at first, but
they also accepted them as a challenge. And a lot of guys have
continued to fly IMAC for this reason. Many pattern people have
jumped over as well. I don’t think I’ve ever heard an IMAc
person come over to pattern saying IMAC was too hard. But I have
met a lot of IMAC guys that continue to fly IMAC because the
sequences change and they are very challenging. There is no rule
that says if you are uncomfortable with a maneuver that you can’t bail
out of it and take a zero. There are guys complaining about
maneuvers that I doubt they have even ever tried. I don’t think
Masters should be as tough as the F sequences in FAI, but it should be
a challenging class. The lower classes should be geared toward
people learning the proper skills and techniques to get them ready for
Masters and if they choose to, to move on to FAI. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I
didn’t get to fly last year hardly at all because I was overseas, and
when I first flew this years Masters sequence it was tough and I had a
lot to learn about it, but I kept flying it and learned a lot about
it. We need to get back to remembering that this is a
competition and that the people who fly it, fly it to get better, even
if they have no aspirations of winning. We can’t keep dumbing
down sequences just to make it easier for someone. The older
Novice and Sportsman sequences were much tougher than what guys are
flying today and people flew them with not nearly as good of
equipment. At the contest in Crowley this weekend, the winds
were swirling on Sunday and I’m sure, had we had 3 loops in the
sequence, it would’ve been interesting, but guys would’ve learned from
it and at the next contest would’ve done a better job. That is
the point, we should be challenged when we fly.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"> I
think we will run off a lot more guys by making things too easy than
we ever will discourage from starting by making it too hard. The
people who want to compete are going to compete and those that don’t
wont. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Just
my .02</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Heading
to the field,</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Arch</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dave Burton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:37
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">I
hope flying the F schedule at local contest doesn’t spread to D2. I
have zero interest in learning two FAI schedules and if it happens
here I’ll join the herds of people flying Masters. Isn’t it in the
rules to fly F only in the Nationals or Championship
contest?</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Dave
Burton</SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Mark Hunt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:57
PM<BR><B>To:</B> pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have taken note that since we started flying the
F pattern regularly on Sunday at local contests (couple years now), we
have been scoring it in such a way that it is simply treated as a 6
round contest in which any combination of the F and P sequences may be
the drop rounds. I think the concensus originaly being that not
everyone is comfortable flying the F, allowing those that only
practice the P to be able to drop both F rounds (usually 2 F rounds on
Sunday).</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hypothetically, it could be run and tabulated in
such a way that in a typical 6 round contest of 4 P's and 2 F's, you
would drop one P and one F. More of a Prelims and Finals
style.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>It's not any serious concern to me, but I am
curious, what is the concensus among FAI pilots now? Just
keep it the same, or consider changing?</P></DIV>
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