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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Very well said Arch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I, for one, hope that we start to fly F in
D2. There has been talk about it, and I think there are several pilots that
would like to, and a few others that wouldn’t care either way. I think it
will help the guys going to the Nats, but also it will be good for the guys
flying FAI. I can see griping about unknowns at a local pattern contest, not
the F sequence. I think maybe it should be setup locally so that the F sequence
is just another round, in order to quell the griping about having to fly it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All in all, it’s supposed to be fun.
We’re playing with toy airplanes for goodness sake.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 18, 2009 7:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
stirring the pot..;)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Well, I’m
probably going to get crucified for this email, but that’s
OK..won’t be the first time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>First, pattern is
SUPPOSED to be competition. And unfortunately whether we like it or not,
at some level the point is geared toward the NATS. If guys don’t
want to fly 2 FAI schedules, fine, then drop back and fly Masters.
Frankly this years Master’s sequence is tougher than the P09
sequence. The guys who do fly FAI and do plan on attending the NATS
should get the opportunity to fly both at a local contest. They are
the guys that deserve a chance to be as ready for the NATS as possible.
The quality of flying in these districts flying both has GREATLY improved and
the results show it at the NATS. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>All of these recent
emails have been about what people can’t do, instead of accepting it
should be a challenge. Some maneuvers are meant to be tough.
Masters should not be an easy sequence for someone who finishes 31<sup>st</sup>
(just an example)at the NATS. Even the guys who win the NATS in the lower
classes should not be flying 9 and 9.5 on every maneuver. This is
supposed to be a challenge. If the sequence you are flying is too tough,
then the provisions are there to drop back and fly a lower class. Life
does get in the way sometimes…I missed all of last year, but that
doesn’t mean we make sequences so that the guy who can only fly 3 or 4
times a month should be able to fly it well. I’ve been working on
this sequence committee stuff and sometimes after reading some of the stuff, I
think we should adopt the old Novice sequence for Masters so that it is easy
enough for everyone to fly. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’ve seen way
too many times lower class guys that start a season having a rough time, but
with help and practice by the end of the year they are flying it well and have
learned what they are supposed to have learned and are ready to move on and are
excited about the improvements they have seen. We need to quit making sequences
and rules for the guys who have a tough time learning something and make it
challenging for the people at the top of that given class. There is a
reason that you don’t have to move out of lower classes until you are
ready and why there are provisions for people to drop back and fly lower
classes if life gets in the way or for whatever reason. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>We keep coming up
with reasons why we shouldn’t have tougher sequences, but honestly that
is part of the reason IMAC grew so quickly. People were scared of the unknowns
and tougher sequences at first, but they also accepted them as a
challenge. And a lot of guys have continued to fly IMAC for this
reason. Many pattern people have jumped over as well. I don’t
think I’ve ever heard an IMAc person come over to pattern saying IMAC was
too hard. But I have met a lot of IMAC guys that continue to fly
IMAC because the sequences change and they are very challenging. There is
no rule that says if you are uncomfortable with a maneuver that you can’t
bail out of it and take a zero. There are guys complaining about
maneuvers that I doubt they have even ever tried. I don’t think
Masters should be as tough as the F sequences in FAI, but it should be a
challenging class. The lower classes should be geared toward people learning
the proper skills and techniques to get them ready for Masters and if they
choose to, to move on to FAI. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I didn’t get
to fly last year hardly at all because I was overseas, and when I first flew
this years Masters sequence it was tough and I had a lot to learn about it, but
I kept flying it and learned a lot about it. We need to get back to
remembering that this is a competition and that the people who fly it, fly it
to get better, even if they have no aspirations of winning. We can’t
keep dumbing down sequences just to make it easier for someone. The older
Novice and Sportsman sequences were much tougher than what guys are flying
today and people flew them with not nearly as good of equipment. At the
contest in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Crowley</st1:place></st1:City>
this weekend, the winds were swirling on Sunday and I’m sure, had we had
3 loops in the sequence, it would’ve been interesting, but guys
would’ve learned from it and at the next contest would’ve done a
better job. That is the point, we should be challenged when we fly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> I think we
will run off a lot more guys by making things too easy than we ever will
discourage from starting by making it too hard. The people who want to
compete are going to compete and those that don’t wont. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Just my .02<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Heading to the
field,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Burton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:37 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
stirring the pot..;)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I hope flying the F
schedule at local contest doesn’t spread to D2. I have zero interest in
learning two FAI schedules and if it happens here I’ll join the herds of
people flying Masters. Isn’t it in the rules to fly F only in the
Nationals or Championship contest?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Hunt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
stirring the pot..;)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have taken note that since we started flying the F pattern regularly
on Sunday at local contests (couple years now), we have been scoring it in such
a way that it is simply treated as a 6 round contest in which any combination
of the F and P sequences may be the drop rounds. I think the concensus
originaly being that not everyone is comfortable flying the F, allowing those
that only practice the P to be able to drop both F rounds (usually 2 F rounds
on Sunday).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hypothetically, it could be run and tabulated in such a way that in a
typical 6 round contest of 4 P's and 2 F's, you would drop one P and one
F. More of a Prelims and Finals style.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It's not any serious concern to me, but I am curious, what is the
concensus among FAI pilots now? Just keep it the same, or consider changing?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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