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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I thoroughly agree with you. The only area I
might find issue with is the division of social/competition as 50-50. As
one ages out, (hopefully we are given the privilege of aging out; the
alternative isn't too pleasant) the percentages will inevitably change downward
to lesser numbers for competition, and upward numbers in social and other
enjoyment. And, in regard to the social aspect, there are other factors
mixed in there, also. Example: I love the smell of Nitro in the
morning; it smells like........... it smells like................. pattern
engines. (Forgetting, for a moment, electric.) Kidding aside, I
agree with what you say; bottom line, if you leave feeling "Gee, I sure had a
good time" then you got what you came for, whether or not there's a trophy
on the back seat of the car. And, this goes for a local contest, or the
Nats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Again, stating my opinion on this particular
facet. As is said:'YMMV."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim (US SSA)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:11
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring
the pot..;)</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
Bill,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
think flying pattern is 50% competition and 50% social, IMHO. There are many
reasons for this. The podium is small and the pool of competitors is
large. The flying skill and dispersion of coaching is varied across the
nation. Some areas are rich in this, where as other guys must fly by
themselves and try to get club guys to spot them. Contest availabiltiy
varies greatly from distirct to disctirct. Our system of judging can
consistently separate the top 1,2,3 positions over 6 rounds, but is not really
capable of dicerning the difference between two perfect flights that only on
differ by a small percentatge (… we are all humans).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
you miss the social aspect of it, you miss a lot. If you are looking for
a competitive enviornment that tries to get it right, this is it. If you
are looking for truth and justice – get a stop watch and race something.
I am as competitive as the next person and looked at this from all angles –
joy to dissapointment. Having come full circle, we cannot expect more
from our system than it is logically capable of producing, and need to come to
grips with what the realm of possible outcomes are at a contest.
Once you put your name on the line and sign up to compete you are
subject to the full ream of the good and bad of our system. On the drive home,
I mostly want to feel like I had a good time and it was money well
spent. By focusing less on the opininon of this being purley a
“competitive” sport, a little more on the enjoyment part, I find myself
enjoying the event more overall. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the
pot..;)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bob:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Your statement about most of the flyers compete just to
have fun, resonates. Taking Masters as an example, I remember well when
there were over 50 Masters in the Nats. I'm sure that the majority knew
they weren't going to be on the podium when trophies were handed out.
Most of them probably knew it when they left their driveways at home.
Still they went. Seeing friends, getting in some flying, seeing how they
stack up with/against the best we have to offer, the color, excitement, being
able to help out--no use going on and on. Many, many different
motivations for the trouble and expense of attending. And, that probably
goes for any contest; just the motives may change a little. And, I feel
the above statement applies to all classes. As always, just my privately
held opinion.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill Glaze<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday, May 19,
2009 9:07 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Kris,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I agree. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Now, I am speaking from someone who has not been in
the game for a few years. The last time I went to the NATS was in '95,
flying in FAI after having just moved up from Masters. I thought
seriously about whether I should practice the F sequence or not, and
decided that my goal for the NATS was to make it into the finals.
(This was before the semi-finals format). Four rounds P for the
prelims, 2 rounds F for the finals. I spent all my time practicing the
P sequence as a result. Alas, they only took 10 people into the
finals, I think I was 15th. At least I was happy I had not wasted time
flying the F schedule. :-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Yes, competition should be fun. Yes, part of the
game is to separate the "best from the best". But, it should be fun,
too. I think that is why the majority of the fliers participate. Make
it too challenging, then only the best will be left and the
rank-and-file fliers at the local contests may drop
out.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>JMHO.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/18/09, krishlan
fitzsimmons <I><homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>IMO, for many, the point of flying pattern
isn't to go to the nats. If this was the case, we would have
about 125 pattern pilots. The point of flying pattern to many
in my district varies, but not many want to go to the nats.
Now this being said, I do want to go, still in Masters this
year, but next year I will fly FAI. My thought is that if I
want to fly 2 rounds of F at a contest, I can choose to do
this, but they will be my throw away rounds. The pilot who
doesn't want to practice F shouldn't be forced to fly it, or
have his rounds thrown away just because the pilots who go to
the nats want local contests flown how the nats are.
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<P class=MsoNormal>I would assume that most FAI nats pilots
don't care about the trophy anyway, so we could judge them all
6 rounds of F if they want. As a masters pilot, I like
judging the F sequence. I support it being flown, and judged
at locals, however, I don't think it should be forced to be
flown at a local. Just my
opinion. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Think about this, try the system of flying
both sequences at a contest, now throw in us, or imagine
yourself being one of the masters guys who want to move up.
Would you want to be forced to learn two sequences just to
move up and fly a contest? Or be forced to take two zero
rounds because you just moved up and haven't had time to learn
two sequences? Many would stay in Masters I would
guess. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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