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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well… we took the top 3 of 4 as you would for 4 rounds to
determine the top half of each group. If we’d had a tie, we would have taken 9
to the top group and 7 in the bottom group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This isn’t meant to be “ideal”…just a solution for local contest
management that determines a reasonably accurate top 3 outcome, allows everyone
to fly every round, and mitigates the challenges of some of the judging.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek
Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Northern D5's answer to the glut in
Masters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>A 9th place guy may move up to
1st if he had flamed out his 1st 2 rounds and those could be considered
throw-aways... and then wins the other 2 rounds - and could conceivably win the
final 2 rounds if he is normally a top 3 pilot. One needs to be careful
about this... ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Atwood, Mark <<a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A slight variant of this was
used at the D4 finals a few years back and I actually think it works better.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>We have Group A and Group B as
Mike suggests. For the first 4 rounds, they flew independently, judging
each other. For the last two rounds, we rearranged the groups so that
Group A was the top half from each group, and group B was the bottom half.
That meant that the winners were coming out of group A, but lets face it, in a
group of 16 (which is what we had) the 9<sup>th</sup> place guy is not likely
to move up to 3<sup>rd</sup> with 2 rounds to go. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This effectively gave us a
“finals” format, and yet every got to fly 6 rounds, and we had a full standing
1-16. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The downside was that someone
with 2 flame outs might miss the cut…but again, that’s no different from a
finals format.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Northern D5's answer to the glut in
Masters</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Why not just normalize the two groups together after the last round.
It would be like each round would have 2 with 1000's just like they tied and
crunch it all together and see. You can't use raw scores as that would
defeat the normalizaion process and favor the line with the possibly
"easier" judges. In the end you have a complete Masters result
as one class. Perfectly fair, no but seems like a workable solution
without the need for 2 sets of awards that you may or may not need depending on
the turnout that day.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
mike mueller wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre> Yes Brian we will mix it up as the contest needs warrant. Like the beer deal. Ask Bobby I'd win that one. Mike<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--- On Mon, 5/18/09, brian young <a
href="mailto:brian_w_young@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><brian_w_young@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>From: brian young <a
href="mailto:brian_w_young@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><brian_w_young@yahoo.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Northern D5's answer to the glut in Masters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: "General pattern discussion" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:58 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>think this would be fine. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Instead of flipping a coin whoever can shotgun a beer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the fastest gets the "trophy."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>One thing that happens when masters judge masters is<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>you lose the judge training, do you go ahead and mix in some<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>other classes as judges as well?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Brian<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--- On Mon, 5/18/09, mike mueller<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><mups1953@yahoo.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: mike mueller <a
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><mups1953@yahoo.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Northern D5's answer to the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>glut in Masters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:55 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>After a discussion at our Pattern seminar here on Saturday<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>we have come up with what we think is a workable solution to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>this problem.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>First we will wait to see how the classes form on the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>morning of our contests. If we have bad numbers in that the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Masters class dominates the ranks we will then split the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>class into 2 groups by picking the names out of a hat. Group<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>A will judge Group B. This remains the situation throughout<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the contest. Since this doesn't give the contests<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>organizers a chance to have 2 sets of awards the trophys<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will be awarded by a flip of a coin. So say they announce<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the winners of 3rd place both guys come up and flip the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>coin. Ideally the awards are not trophy's but paper in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>which case the award problem is solved.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As far as District points we just add up the numbers for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>each group seperatly.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Does anyone see a problem with this? Thanks, Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
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