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<DIV>John Pavlick<BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/11/09, Dave Burton <I><burtona@atmc.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">See what happens when you hand an Aresti sportsman schedule to a potential new pattern flyer and say: Just fly this!</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Or a new pattern flyer goes to the NSRCA web site wanting to see what he has to fly to compete.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">While it may be the universal aerobatic language, why make it so that it has to be “translated” (KISS)</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Dave Burton</SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Pavlick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Don't worry - you can make up your own call cards that are "translated" to English. Aresti is the universal language of Precision Aerobatics. It would be nice to see all of our schedules presented this way. I'm tired of explaining what a stall-turn is to people who fly full-scale or IMAC. :)</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 5/11/09, Dave Burton <I><burtona@atmc.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From: Dave Burton <burtona@atmc.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:57 PM</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Please, no!</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'"> No way I’m going to get my practice caller to learn Aresti! It’s hard enough to get her to go out and read the English descriptions from the lounge chair.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Archie Stafford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2009 10:53 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">One thing that might be beneficial for number 2 is the use of Aresti for sequences. I HATED it when I first started playing with it in IMAC, but now that I understand it, it does make life pretty easy. There are also a couple of websites that really break it down and make it easy to understand. </SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Hunt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2009 9:43 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I would support 1 and 2.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>2 will require a good bit of effort in writing downgrade descriptions that cover all basic manuever concepts that could be put into NSRCA written sequences. The IMAC rules are written and illustrated very well in this regard. Might be easier if a few people worked together on this to split up some of the work.</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>-mark</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08:49 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"><BR>OK Mark I will hold.<BR>I agree with and would support both 1&2.<BR>Jim Hiller<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow><U><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></U></A><BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow><U><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></U></A>]On
Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<BR>Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:36 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement<BR><BR>Not that the debate on 2 vs 3 rolls isn't fascinating, but....<BR><BR>Can we wrap up the original discussion regarding advancement?<BR><BR>I heard a semi consensus on 2 things that I think we should aggressively<BR>pursue<BR><BR>1) Removing any forced advancement rules (possibly changing to a guideline,<BR>or possibly eliminating the language altogether)<BR> Reason: Forced advancement simply harms more people than it helps.<BR>Very few if any abuse the system, while many have been compelled to fly in a<BR>class inappropriate to their skills or comfort, discouraging some, causing<BR>others to quit, and overall reducing the level of enjoyment contrary to what<BR>the rule was intended for. A guideline would still be valuable to help<BR>those who are trying to make the
advancement decision, however that may be<BR>better placed outside of the Rule Book (such as the NSRCA web site)<BR><BR>2) Removal of the pattern schedules from the rule book, in an effort to<BR>simplify the change procedure.<BR> Reason: In conjunction with the change above, virtually every class<BR>is a "destination" class for some, and as such, some variety is desirable at<BR>every level. De-coupling the sequences from the rule book would allow<BR>greater ease in changing the schedules, and greater ease of change also<BR>reduces the critical nature of "getting it right" the first time, which<BR>would allow for more creativity and experiementation.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thoughts??<BR><BR>How do we get this done...<BR><BR>-Mark<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow><U><SPAN style="COLOR:
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