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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That explains it. 40 years ago I was only 2 years
old! LOL</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It appears these days that sport fliers do not do consecutive
horizontal rolls. At best, they will point the nose up 45-90 degrees and do a
few just using ailerons. This is the experience that new entrants to pattern
bring to the table. There is no concept anymore of learning as a sport flyer
to do horizontal rolls at a roll rate that allows appropriate elevator
corrections to be made.<BR>What I see in Sportsman and early intermediate is
"get the nose up a bit, bang the ailerons and hope you make it through before
the nose is pointing at the ground"<BR>You can get away with this, sort of,
for one roll and sometimes two, but you will not get through three without
exiting with a drastic recovery.<BR>So, just because we can demonstrate
fitting three, four or even five rolls in the box, does not mean that these
beginning pattern flyers can duplicate your results.<BR><BR>The real question
is why the sport flyers have gotten so far removed from flying anything
resembling standard aerobatic manuevers? When was the last time you saw
someone besides a pattern flyer do an 8 point roll, cuban eight, three
consecutive loops? Have pattern, and even IMAC for that matter, become so
marginalized that noone gives a hoot what we are up to or try to fly some of
the maneuvers we perform on a regular basis?<BR>I know I could do a centered
three horizontal rolls years before I even thought about entering a pattern
contest. I just believed flying aerobatic maneuvers was part of becoming an
accomplished RC pilot. Times change I guess- that was 40 years
ago.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>Bill Glaze wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Amazes me too, Georgie. Practicing today,
just for fun, I did 4 rolls, after a stall turn, and then entered a half
square loop; had plenty room to spare,and at less than 150 meters
out.. When we were doing the 3 rolls before I recall some people
objected not about the space required, but that the 3 rolls were "too
difficult" and "too dangerous." I'd sure like to know what happens
between the second and third rolls that puts a huge danger factor at the end
of the maneuver. I've looked for the boogie man, and just can't seem
to find him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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Original Message ----- <B>From:</B> <A title=geobet4@verizon.net
href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net" moz-do-not-send="true">George
W.Kennie</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:21 PM</DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't it amazing that we have combination
maneuvers like Two of Two folowed by a Slow Roll opposite all on one
line, including entry and exit lines, and people still think that you
can't get three consecutive rolls in the box.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stymies me !</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who else?</FONT> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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moz-do-not-send="true">'General pattern discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chuck,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the early
nineties when I got started in pattern the Sportsman sequence now known
as Intermediate had three rolls. I flew 2cycle then (Saphire,
LA-1) and had no problem fitting the maneuver in the box as well as
centering. I believe this built many early skill sets that have
helped me in the long run over the years.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m of the
opinion pattern sequences should present challenges to ones current
skill set. Without a challenge why do pattern at
all.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chuck
Hochhalter<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:15 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Anyone notice how much
airpace 3 rolls takes in FAI... I don’t think they lower class has the
box management skills to fit 3 rolls into the box, let alone be ready to
center them.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Re comments
below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has
two rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are challenge and
training enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is enough for
judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly, not many of
us<BR>want to see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of
Sportsman after first year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That
is already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of
Sportsman class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or
subsequent year of participation if he/she places first or second and
above at least 4 other fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>-----
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"<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME>"
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been
flying intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. The two rolls
are still kicking my you know what. I can do one slow roll and one
4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls. I’m certain that the
average advance pilot would really have trouble with 3 rolls. I
see a lot of intermediate, advanced and sometimes even masters pilots
almost loose airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers. They
shouldn’t be underestimated.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with
Mark, lets make advancement at all levels a guideline. I had to
move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman
because I beat 4 other pilots. I was flying a Kaos and the other
pilots were all flying their 1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with
trainers. They had no chance. In the end I’m glade I moved
up but at the time it made me real nervous. I was so determined to
fly pattern that I decided to give it the old college try in
intermediate.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think Advance
could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted. Otherwise, I
believe all the sequences are pretty good.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard
Lewis<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May
08, 2009 4:38 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">There is a provision in the
current rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the
competition regulations....<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've
been to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my
confidence along with it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jeff</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood" <A
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href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></A><BR>To:
"<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME>"
<A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
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Friday, May 8, 2009 2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
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color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I
know you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example
of someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the
system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to
practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed,
home life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice
flights a year outside of contests. Your experience and
skill would allow you to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating
and likely have a lot more fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather
than trying to fly masters without hardly even knowing the
pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where
they fly (which pattern) and have the most enjoyment.
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob
Kane<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May
08, 2009 2:40 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Hey, I resemble that remark . . .
. . . .<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Bob Kane<BR><A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey <A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 12:17:58
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[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is all
pretty interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who
beat me when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was
seeing the skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy
in the lower classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best
pilots anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly
that wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even
in intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated
to skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using
each class to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it
appears nobody wants to improve to FAI. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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