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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Obviously, agreeing with you gentlemen, I feel that
the maneuver is a good learning experience, at the Intermediate level. (A level
at which I have become somewhat of a fixture.) I must, in my head, balance
what is needed for a proper sequence, with what it is possible to do with only a
minor stretch of ability to continue on a learning curve. Poorly put, but
I feel that at least one maneuver in a sequence, (probably more than one) should
be a challenge to learn; should take some effort, without being impossible to
master in the class it's being flown. I also feel that nearly all
pilots in whatever class, will have at least one figure that they are on the
verge of hating, and which will require a special effort to master. I see
nothing wrong with that as a philosophy. Maybe there is something wrong,
and it's like the elephant in the room........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=plachance@cox.net href="mailto:plachance@cox.net">Paul LaChance</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I always loved the 3 rolls. Loved them
better when I learned to use rudder instead of pulling the nose slightly
before the first roll. LOL I agree. I NEVER saw anyone lose
their plane doing them, but also agree they CALLED it an airplane
killer. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=astafford@swtexas.net href="mailto:astafford@swtexas.net">Archie
Stafford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bill,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
boogie man is that you actually have to FLY the plane through the
3<SUP>rd</SUP> roll. That has been my problem with 2 rolls is that you
can basically put the nose 5 degrees high and shove the stick over and do 2
rolls. When you add a 3<SUP>rd</SUP> one you actually have to learn to
use the elevator. I have heard of people having problems doing 3 rolls
and it being an “airplane killer,” but I never saw a lost airplane when I
was at contests and when I was flying the old sequences. Frankly if
you are doing 3 rolls and you can’t recover from a problem on the
3<SUP>rd</SUP> roll, then you need to be flying higher. It was
definitely a maneuver that was great as an essential building block in
pattern.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Amazes me too,
Georgie. Practicing today, just for fun, I did 4 rolls, after a stall
turn, and then entered a half square loop; had plenty room to spare,and at
less than 150 meters out.. When we were doing the 3 rolls before I
recall some people objected not about the space required, but that the 3
rolls were "too difficult" and "too dangerous." I'd sure like to know
what happens between the second and third rolls that puts a huge danger
factor at the end of the maneuver. I've looked for the boogie man, and
just can't seem to find him.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Bill</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- <B>From:</B> <A title=geobet4@verizon.net
href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">George W.Kennie</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Saturday, May
09, 2009 9:21 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Isn't it
amazing that we have combination maneuvers like Two of Two folowed by
a Slow Roll opposite all on one line, including entry and exit lines,
and people still think that you can't get three consecutive rolls in the
box.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Stymies me
!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Who
else?</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=ghwatson@comcast.net href="mailto:ghwatson@comcast.net">Glen
Watson</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Saturday,
May 09, 2009 1:02 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Chuck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">In
the early nineties when I got started in pattern the Sportsman sequence
now known as Intermediate had three rolls. I flew 2cycle then
(Saphire, LA-1) and had no problem fitting the maneuver in the box as
well as centering. I believe this built many early skill sets that
have helped me in the long run over the years.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I’m
of the opinion pattern sequences should present challenges to ones
current skill set. Without a challenge why do pattern at
all.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Glen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Chuck Hochhalter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:15
AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Anyone notice how much
airpace 3 rolls takes in FAI... I don’t think they lower class has the
box management skills to fit 3 rolls into the box, let alone be ready to
center them.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Chuck</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
title=ronlock@comcast.net
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Friday, May
08, 2009 9:25 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Re comments
below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has
two rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are challenge and
training enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is enough for
judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly, not many of
us<BR>want to see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of
Sportsman after first year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That
is already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of
Sportsman class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or
subsequent year of participation if he/she places first or second and
above at least 4 other fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Hansen"
<rcpilot@wowway.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
10:03:36 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I’ve
been flying intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. The two
rolls are still kicking my you know what. I can do one slow roll
and one 4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls. I’m certain that
the average advance pilot would really have trouble with 3 rolls.
I see a lot of intermediate, advanced and sometimes even masters pilots
almost loose airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers. They
shouldn’t be underestimated.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
agree with Mark, lets make advancement at all levels a guideline.
I had to move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in
sportsman because I beat 4 other pilots. I was flying a Kaos and
the other pilots were all flying their 1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with
trainers. They had no chance. In the end I’m glade I moved
up but at the time it made me real nervous. I was so determined to
fly pattern that I decided to give it the old college try in
intermediate.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
think Advance could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted.
Otherwise, I believe all the sequences are pretty good.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ron
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Richard Lewis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38
PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">There is a provision in the current rule set to
accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the competition
regulations....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 8,
2009 3:30:24 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Bob,</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've
been to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my
confidence along with it. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Jeff</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
know you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example
of someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the
system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to
practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed,
home life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice
flights a year outside of contests. Your experience and
skill would allow you to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating
and likely have a lot more fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather
than trying to fly masters without hardly even knowing the
pattern.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where
they fly (which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN><SPAN
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Bob Kane<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Hey, I resemble that remark . . . . . .
.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Bob
Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Cc:</B> Don Ramsey
<don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 8, 2009
12:17:58 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This is all
pretty interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who
beat me when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was
seeing the skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy
in the lower classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best
pilots anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly
that wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even
in intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated
to skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using
each class to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it
appears nobody wants to improve to FAI. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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