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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If the takeoff and landing were not scored, then it may be
possible to have a couple of classes fly the sequence twice which would really
speed up a contest. Probably no one would carry enough fuel to fly Masters
twice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Snaproll4@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 11, 2009 7:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>CD's
used to have the ability to have Sportsman fly twice which isn't in the rule
book. They now can have an Expert class which isn't in the rule
book. Can CD's suspend the advancement rule? Just thinking out
loud.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In
a message dated 5/11/2009 11:43:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
derekkoopowitz@gmail.com writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>We can put some explicit written policies in place for the NSRCA
that state that schedules will be changed only when deemed necessary or in the
event that a maneuver/schedule presents a problem such as safety, difficulty,
length, etc. This would prevent the NSRCA from willy-nilly changing the
schedules. I do think we should pull them out of the rulebook just
because it would be much easier for us to control what happens to them versus
being held to AMA's timetable of change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mark: To answer your question on how we go about this?
These need to be presented to the membership as part of the survey to determine
if this is in fact the best route to go for the membership. If someone
would like to put this in writing and send to me two (2) paragraphs for the
rules survey:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>1. First paragraph is the question being asked. For
example - Should the NSRCA remove all wording from the rule book as it pertains
to class advancement?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>2. Second paragraph is
a clear description of why voting YES would be a good thing and also a clear
description of why voting NO would be a good thing as well. We need to
hear reasons why both a YES and NO would work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:05 AM, <<a
href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com" title="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I'm in agreement with removing the advancement rules or at least
turning them into an unenforceable guideline.<br>
<br>
I have reservations on removing the schedules from the rulebook for a variety
of reasons. First of all, AMA should be an integral part of the process much
like FAI is for their respective schedules. There needs to be some stability to
the posted schedules and maneuver descriptions/downgrades and I think the AMA
Rulebook is the best place for that. The NSRCA website can certainly provide
that in addition to AMA, but the AMA Rulebook should be the first stop for
someone seeking the rules who may or may not even know about the NSRCA. I'm not
against making the changing of schedules a simpler process in the event we
discover something wrong with a schedule, but I see inherent danger in creating
a "moving target" with schedules that get changed frequently. If this
discussion has shown anything, it's shown that a concensus of what the ideal
schedule would be at each level is not an attainable goal. Kinda like the poor
sap that takes his fiance along to pick out her engagement ring<br>
("I'll never make THAT mistake again) In any event, I think it's a
dangerous path. The key component in all of this is stability and the assurance
that we're all practicing what will actually be flown at the next contest.<br>
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Verne Koester<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>---- "Atwood wrote:<br>
> Not that the debate on 2 vs 3 rolls isn't fascinating, but....<br>
><br>
> Can we wrap up the original discussion regarding advancement?<br>
><br>
> I heard a semi consensus on 2 things that I think we should aggressively
pursue<br>
><br>
> 1) Removing any forced advancement rules (possibly changing to a
guideline, or possibly eliminating the language altogether)<br>
> Reason: Forced advancement simply harms more people
than it helps. Very few if any abuse the system, while many have been
compelled to fly in a class inappropriate to their skills or comfort,
discouraging some, causing others to quit, and overall reducing the level of
enjoyment contrary to what the rule was intended for. A guideline would
still be valuable to help those who are trying to make the advancement
decision, however that may be better placed outside of the Rule Book (such as
the NSRCA web site)<br>
><br>
> 2) Removal of the pattern schedules from the rule book, in an effort to
simplify the change procedure.<br>
> Reason: In conjunction with the change above,
virtually every class is a "destination" class for some, and as such,
some variety is desirable at every level. De-coupling the sequences from
the rule book would allow greater ease in changing the schedules, and greater
ease of change also reduces the critical nature of "getting it right"
the first time, which would allow for more creativity and experiementation.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thoughts??<br>
><br>
> How do we get this done...<br>
><br>
> -Mark<br>
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