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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you ever see anyone REALLY grease that
maneuver? I haven't. It ALWAYS looks rushed. And these are Masters pilots. Big
difference between them and Intermediate pilots. The only way it would work is
if both turnarounds (before and after the maneuver) were something like a stall
turn or a half square loop. Anything else would be tough for an Intermediate
pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet4@verizon.net href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">George
W.Kennie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't it amazing that we have combination
maneuvers like Two of Two folowed by a Slow Roll opposite all on one
line, including entry and exit lines, and people still think that you can't
get three consecutive rolls in the box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stymies me !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who else?</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ghwatson@comcast.net href="mailto:ghwatson@comcast.net">Glen
Watson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chuck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the early
nineties when I got started in pattern the Sportsman sequence now known as
Intermediate had three rolls. I flew 2cycle then (Saphire, LA-1) and
had no problem fitting the maneuver in the box as well as centering. I
believe this built many early skill sets that have helped me in the long run
over the years.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m of the opinion
pattern sequences should present challenges to ones current skill set.
Without a challenge why do pattern at
all.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Glen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chuck
Hochhalter<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday,
May 09, 2009 11:15 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Anyone notice how much airpace
3 rolls takes in FAI... I don’t think they lower class has the box
management skills to fit 3 rolls into the box, let alone be ready to center
them.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Chuck</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
title=ronlock@comcast.net
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Friday, May 08, 2009 9:25 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Re
comments below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate
sequence has two rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are
challenge and training enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is
enough for judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly, not
many of us<BR>want to see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of
Sportsman after first year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That is
already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of Sportsman
class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or subsequent year of
participation if he/she places first or second and above at least 4 other
fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
"Ron Hansen" <rcpilot@wowway.com><BR>To: "<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
10:03:36 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. The two rolls are still
kicking my you know what. I can do one slow roll and one 4 pt roll but
not two consecutive rolls. I’m certain that the average advance pilot
would really have trouble with 3 rolls. I see a lot of intermediate,
advanced and sometimes even masters pilots almost loose airplanes on the
horizontal rolling maneuvers. They shouldn’t be
underestimated.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Mark,
lets make advancement at all levels a guideline. I had to move up from
sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman because I beat 4
other pilots. I was flying a Kaos and the other pilots were all flying
their 1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with trainers. They had no chance.
In the end I’m glade I moved up but at the time it made me real
nervous. I was so determined to fly pattern that I decided to give it
the old college try in intermediate.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think Advance
could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted. Otherwise, I
believe all the sequences are pretty good.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Lewis<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">There is a
provision in the current rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2
of the competition regulations....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've been
to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence along
with it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jeff</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To:
"<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri
color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I know you’re
joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example of someone that
was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the system, but then
when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to practice even more to
be competitive, your job suddenly changed, home life became more
complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights a year outside of
contests. Your experience and skill would allow you to be
competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely have a lot more fun
being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to fly masters without
hardly even knowing the pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">You’re the
perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they fly
(which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Kane<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
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Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
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<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey
<don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
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PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who beat me
when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was seeing the
skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy in the lower
classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best pilots
anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that
wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even in
intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated to
skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using each class
to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it appears nobody wants
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