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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So? Then put the rolls between a 1/2 square loop
and a hammerhead. We always did them before. Had plenty of
room. What's changed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 10:18
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you ever see anyone REALLY grease that
maneuver? I haven't. It ALWAYS looks rushed. And these are Masters pilots. Big
difference between them and Intermediate pilots. The only way it would work is
if both turnarounds (before and after the maneuver) were something like a
stall turn or a half square loop. Anything else would be tough for an
Intermediate pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet4@verizon.net href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">George
W.Kennie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't it amazing that we have combination
maneuvers like Two of Two folowed by a Slow Roll opposite all on one
line, including entry and exit lines, and people still think that you can't
get three consecutive rolls in the box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stymies me !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who else?</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ghwatson@comcast.net href="mailto:ghwatson@comcast.net">Glen
Watson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 1:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chuck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the early
nineties when I got started in pattern the Sportsman sequence now known as
Intermediate had three rolls. I flew 2cycle then (Saphire, LA-1) and
had no problem fitting the maneuver in the box as well as centering.
I believe this built many early skill sets that have helped me in the long
run over the years.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m of the
opinion pattern sequences should present challenges to ones current skill
set. Without a challenge why do pattern at
all.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Glen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chuck
Hochhalter<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:15 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Anyone notice how much
airpace 3 rolls takes in FAI... I don’t think they lower class has the box
management skills to fit 3 rolls into the box, let alone be ready to
center them.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Chuck</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
title=ronlock@comcast.net
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Friday, May 08, 2009 9:25 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement
System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Re comments
below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has
two rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are challenge and
training enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is enough for
judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly, not many of
us<BR>want to see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of
Sportsman after first year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That is
already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of
Sportsman class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or
subsequent year of participation if he/she places first or second and
above at least 4 other fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Hansen"
<rcpilot@wowway.com><BR>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
10:03:36 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. The two rolls are still
kicking my you know what. I can do one slow roll and one 4 pt roll
but not two consecutive rolls. I’m certain that the average advance
pilot would really have trouble with 3 rolls. I see a lot of
intermediate, advanced and sometimes even masters pilots almost loose
airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers. They shouldn’t be
underestimated.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with
Mark, lets make advancement at all levels a guideline. I had to move
up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman because
I beat 4 other pilots. I was flying a Kaos and the other pilots were
all flying their 1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with trainers. They had no
chance. In the end I’m glade I moved up but at the time it made me
real nervous. I was so determined to fly pattern that I decided to
give it the old college try in intermediate.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think Advance
could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted. Otherwise, I
believe all the sequences are pretty good.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard
Lewis<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May
08, 2009 4:38 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">There is a
provision in the current rule set to accomodate these situations, see
8.1.2 of the competition
regulations....<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've
been to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence
along with it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jeff</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri
color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I know
you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example of
someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the
system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to
practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed,
home life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights
a year outside of contests. Your experience and skill would
allow you to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely
have a lot more fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to
fly masters without hardly even knowing the pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri
color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">You’re the
perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they fly
(which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
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color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
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pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey
<don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
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pretty interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who
beat me when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was
seeing the skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy
in the lower classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best
pilots anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that
wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even in
intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated to
skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using each
class to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it appears
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