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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I wonder why two horizontal rolls is a "challenge"
for today's Intermediate pilots when three horizontal rolls were required of
Sportsman pilots with those crappy planes 30 years ago?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jack</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ronlock@comcast.net
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 8:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Re comments
below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has two
rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are challenge and training
enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is enough for judging-
Particularly, if you see two going badly, not many of us<BR>want to see a
third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of Sportsman after first year
because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That is already fixed. The 2009
rule "..flier must move out of Sportsman class at the end of he calendar
year of his/her second or subsequent year of participation if he/she places
first or second and above at least 4 other fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron
Lockhart<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Hansen"
<rcpilot@wowway.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 10:03:36
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. <SPAN> </SPAN>The two rolls
are still kicking my you know what.<SPAN> </SPAN>I can do one slow roll
and one 4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls. <SPAN> </SPAN>I’m
certain that the average advance pilot would really have trouble with 3
rolls.<SPAN> </SPAN>I see a lot of intermediate, advanced and sometimes
even <SPAN class=GramE>masters</SPAN> pilots almost loose airplanes on the
horizontal rolling maneuvers.<SPAN> </SPAN>They shouldn’t be
underestimated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I agree with Mark,
lets make advancement at all levels a guideline.<SPAN> </SPAN>I had to
move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman
because I beat 4 other pilots.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was flying a <SPAN
class=SpellE>Kaos</SPAN> and the other pilots were all flying their
1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with trainers.<SPAN> </SPAN>They had no
chance.<SPAN> </SPAN>In the end I’m glade I moved up but at the time it
made me real nervous.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was so determined to fly pattern
that I decided to give it the old college try in
intermediate.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Advance could
use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted.<SPAN> </SPAN>Otherwise, I
believe all the sequences are pretty good.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ron
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Lewis<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is a provision in
the current rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the
competition regulations....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Richard</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've been to
one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence along with
it. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent:
Friday, May 8, 2009 2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I know
you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example of someone
that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the system, but then
when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to practice even more to
be competitive, your job suddenly changed, home life became more
complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights a year outside of
contests. Your experience and skill would allow you to be
competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely have a lot more fun
being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to fly masters without
hardly even knowing the pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they fly
(which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Kane<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is all pretty
interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who beat me when
I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was seeing the skill
level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy in the lower classes,
I understood I wasn't competing against the best pilots anyway. From
what I've seen there is a huge variation of talent within a class
anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that wouldn't win in advanced if
they bumped back down (maybe not even in intermediate). People move up for
all kinds of reasons unrelated to skill level. It's also
interesting that we talk about using each class to improve our flying until we
get to Masters, then it appears nobody wants to improve to FAI.
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