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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because those "crappy" planes flew at 150 miles an
hour and had a roll rate of 3 rolls per second! Now everyone wants to fly
slow... LOL</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jtkeiser@comcast.net href="mailto:jtkeiser@comcast.net">Jack
Keiser</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 11:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wonder why two horizontal rolls is a
"challenge" for today's Intermediate pilots when three horizontal rolls were
required of Sportsman pilots with those crappy planes 30 years
ago?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jack</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ronlock@comcast.net
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 8:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Re comments
below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has two
rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are challenge and training
enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is enough for judging-
Particularly, if you see two going badly, not many of us<BR>want to
see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out of Sportsman after first
year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That is already fixed. The
2009 rule "..flier must move out of Sportsman class at the end of he
calendar year of his/her second or subsequent year of participation if
he/she places first or second and above at least 4 other
fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
"Ron Hansen" <rcpilot@wowway.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. <SPAN> </SPAN>The two rolls
are still kicking my you know what.<SPAN> </SPAN>I can do one slow
roll and one 4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls. <SPAN> </SPAN>I’m
certain that the average advance pilot would really have trouble with 3
rolls.<SPAN> </SPAN>I see a lot of intermediate, advanced and
sometimes even <SPAN class=GramE>masters</SPAN> pilots almost loose
airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers.<SPAN> </SPAN>They
shouldn’t be underestimated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Mark,
lets make advancement at all levels a guideline.<SPAN> </SPAN>I had to
move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman
because I beat 4 other pilots.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was flying a <SPAN
class=SpellE>Kaos</SPAN> and the other pilots were all flying their
1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with trainers.<SPAN> </SPAN>They had no
chance.<SPAN> </SPAN>In the end I’m glade I moved up but at the time
it made me real nervous.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was so determined to fly
pattern that I decided to give it the old college try in
intermediate.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think Advance
could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted.<SPAN>
</SPAN>Otherwise, I believe all the sequences are pretty
good.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Lewis<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is a provision in the current
rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the competition
regulations....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Richard</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've been
to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence along
with it. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jeff</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To:
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri
color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I know
you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example of
someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the
system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to
practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed, home
life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights a year
outside of contests. Your experience and skill would allow you
to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely have a lot more
fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to fly masters without
hardly even knowing the pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they
fly (which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Kane<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .</SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Bob
Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com</SPAN></FONT></P>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is all pretty
interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who beat me
when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was seeing the
skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy in the lower
classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best pilots
anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that
wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even in
intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated to
skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using each class
to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it appears nobody wants
to improve to FAI. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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