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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>After trying to fly 8-points in 15 MPH wind yesterday I can relate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chuck Hochhalter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:15
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Anyone
notice how much airpace 3 rolls takes in FAI... I don’t think they lower class
has the box management skills to fit 3 rolls into the box, let alone be ready
to center them.</span></font><font color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Chuck</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net" title="ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
Friday, May 08, 2009 9:25 PM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Re comments below-<br>
I believe part of reason the current Intermediate sequence has two rolls, and
not three, is-<br>
Figuring two rolls are challenge and training enough for most intermediate
pilots -<br>
And two is enough for judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly,
not many of us<br>
want to see a third.<br>
<br>
Also below - having to move out of Sportsman after first year because of
beating 4 other pilots -<br>
That is already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of
Sportsman class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or subsequent
year of participation if he/she places first or second and above at least 4
other fliers..."<br>
<br>
Ron Lockhart<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot@wowway.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 10:03:36 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Arial Unicode MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. The two rolls are still
kicking my you know what. I can do one slow roll and one 4 pt roll but
not two consecutive rolls. I’m certain that the average advance pilot
would really have trouble with 3 rolls. I see a lot of intermediate, advanced
and sometimes even masters pilots almost loose airplanes on the horizontal
rolling maneuvers. They shouldn’t be underestimated.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Mark, lets
make advancement at all levels a guideline. I had to move up from
sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman because I beat 4
other pilots. I was flying a Kaos and the other pilots were all flying
their 1<sup>st</sup> contests with trainers. They had no chance. In
the end I’m glade I moved up but at the time it made me real nervous. I
was so determined to fly pattern that I decided to give it the old college try
in intermediate.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think Advance could use
a few more maneuvers that exit inverted. Otherwise, I believe all the
sequences are pretty good.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ron </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Lewis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There is a
provision in the current rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of
the competition regulations....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> "jeffghughes@comcast.net"
<jeffghughes@comcast.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bob,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I understand completely,
I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've been to one contest
in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence along with it. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jeff</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
know you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example of
someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the system,
but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to practice even
more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed, home life became more
complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights a year outside of
contests. Your experience and skill would allow you to be
competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely have a lot more fun
being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to fly masters without hardly
even knowing the pattern.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they fly
(which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Kane<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black'> "jeffghughes@comcast.net"
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Don Ramsey
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 8, 2009 12:17:58
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is all pretty
interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who beat me when I
was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was seeing the skill level
necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy in the lower classes, I
understood I wasn't competing against the best pilots anyway. From what
I've seen there is a huge variation of talent within a class
anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that wouldn't win in advanced if they
bumped back down (maybe not even in intermediate). People move up for
all kinds of reasons unrelated to skill level. It's also interesting
that we talk about using each class to improve our flying until we get to
Masters, then it appears nobody wants to improve to FAI. </span></font><font
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