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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As I recall, it was three rolls in "three to five""
seconds. And maybe only 100 mph.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jack</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Because those "crappy" planes flew at 150 miles
an hour and had a roll rate of 3 rolls per second! Now everyone wants to fly
slow... LOL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jtkeiser@comcast.net href="mailto:jtkeiser@comcast.net">Jack
Keiser</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 11:15
PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I wonder why two horizontal rolls is a
"challenge" for today's Intermediate pilots when three horizontal rolls were
required of Sportsman pilots with those crappy planes 30 years
ago?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jack</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 8:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Re
comments below-<BR>I believe part of reason the current Intermediate
sequence has two rolls, and not three, is-<BR>Figuring two rolls are
challenge and training enough for most intermediate pilots -<BR>And two is
enough for judging- Particularly, if you see two going badly, not
many of us<BR>want to see a third.<BR><BR>Also below - having to move out
of Sportsman after first year because of beating 4 other pilots -<BR>That
is already fixed. The 2009 rule "..flier must move out of
Sportsman class at the end of he calendar year of his/her second or
subsequent year of participation if he/she places first or second and
above at least 4 other fliers..."<BR><BR>Ron Lockhart<BR><BR>-----
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I’ve been flying
intermediate for about 3 years going on 4. <SPAN> </SPAN>The two
rolls are still kicking my you know what.<SPAN> </SPAN>I can do one
slow roll and one 4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls.
<SPAN> </SPAN>I’m certain that the average advance pilot would really
have trouble with 3 rolls.<SPAN> </SPAN>I see a lot of intermediate,
advanced and sometimes even <SPAN class=GramE>masters</SPAN> pilots almost
loose airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers.<SPAN>
</SPAN>They shouldn’t be underestimated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I agree with
Mark, lets make advancement at all levels a guideline.<SPAN>
</SPAN>I had to move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year
in sportsman because I beat 4 other pilots.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was
flying a <SPAN class=SpellE>Kaos</SPAN> and the other pilots were all
flying their 1<SUP>st</SUP> contests with trainers.<SPAN>
</SPAN>They had no chance.<SPAN> </SPAN>In the end I’m glade I moved
up but at the time it made me real nervous.<SPAN> </SPAN>I was so
determined to fly pattern that I decided to give it the old college try in
intermediate.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Advance
could use a few more maneuvers that exit inverted.<SPAN>
</SPAN>Otherwise, I believe all the sequences are pretty
good.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ron
</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard
Lewis<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May
08, 2009 4:38 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is a provision
in the current rule set to accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the
competition regulations....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I understand
completely, I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've
been to one contest in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence
along with it. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Atwood"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009
2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
know you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great example
of someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through the
system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need to
practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed,
home life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights
a year outside of contests. Your experience and skill would
allow you to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely
have a lot more fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to
fly masters without hardly even knowing the pattern.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they
fly (which pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Kane<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob
Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com</SPAN></FONT></P>
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"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Don Ramsey
<don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is all
pretty interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who
beat me when I was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was
seeing the skill level necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy
in the lower classes, I understood I wasn't competing against the best
pilots anyway. From what I've seen there is a huge variation of
talent within a class anyway. I've seen Masters pilots fly that
wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down (maybe not even in
intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons unrelated to
skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using each
class to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it appears
nobody wants to improve to FAI. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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