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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would certainly cut through a lot of dissension
that's been created. Then, the only thing that would create a move-up
atmosphere, would be the higher level of respect given the higher level
trophies, (or whatever is being awarded.) Perhaps that would be enough to
encourage moving up in a timely manner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 5:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System - follow up</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do it!</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I second the motion.</DIV>
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<DIV>Steve Miller</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:20:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Let’
just remove all the wording about advancement and points from the rule book
and let anyone fly any class they want for any reason they feel is
appropriate. I’ve been advocating this for years and have written rules
proposals in the past that got shot down by NSRCA.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’ll
volunteer to write the proposal and submit it to AMA if NSRCA will support
it. Without the support of NS RCA it would be pretty futile
effort.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dave
Burton</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Atwood, Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 10:46
AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
really do think this is easy.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Change
20the advancement rule to be a guideline, not a rule.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">People
should be able to change what class they fly when they want to. Yes,
there could be the occasional A$$ that changes for the wrong reason, but
let’s not make rules just to capture idiots, and make more work for everyone
else in the process.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">People
move between FAI and Masters ALL THE TIME based on who’s at a contest, or
the overall contest make up and no one cares. There’s no reason that
the same can’t happen in the lower classes. Let’s just try it for a
bit. Please??</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">All
we need is a proposal to change the wording on advancement to be a
guideline, a recommendation. And remov e any language that refers to
mandatory advancement or prevents people from moving back down a
level.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Let’s
see what problems it causes. I’m betting NONE, and it will eliminate
numerous problems.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">-M</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Earl Haury<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion List, NSRCA<BR>=0 A<B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Lots of
good observations and comments that are on topic. </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Also,
adjusting the sequences / classes may be a fix to the root cause of poor
skill fits in a given class that would dictate moving up or
down.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">IMHO, I
believe the immediate focus should be on changing the advancement system so
that folks who find themselves in a class way beyond their skill level have
a mechanism to move to a class better fitting their skills. I'm not
proposing that the focused competitor who moves up and then finds themselves
not competitive for a few years should move back. I do believe that the
casual competitor who finds that age / career / family / increased sequence
difficulty should be able to easily move to a class where they're
comfortable. As the discussions regarding sequence content indicate, the
consummate competitor wants (needs) an increasing level of difficulty to
maintain challenge & interes t. This increase in difficulty can (and
apparently does) overwhelm some casual competitors who then leave
pattern. Possibly they can be retained if it were easy for them to drop back
a class.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don't
perceive that this discussion has reached a consensus on how best to handle
the current advancement system, previous discussions have ended similarly
and nothing much has changed. The options seem to be:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">1.
Leave the current system alone & adjust sequences / classes. (Appears to
concede to the lowest skill pilots per class.)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">2. No
official advancement system, peer pressure is adequate. (Might actually
work, most pattern folks are honorable.)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">3.
Variant of current system with provisions for casual competitors to move
back basis their comfort / performance. (Probably OK and would seem to have
a good chance =0 A with the CB.)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">4.
Performance based system where folks float between classes basis
performance. (Actually my favorite as it would both satisfy providing
comfort to the casual and prestige to the consummate. Unfortunately
logistically most difficult, someone would need to manage the data and
assign classes.)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">So -
the trick is to reach some sort of consensus and move it to a rules
proposal. Discussion alone won't get the job done.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Earl</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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