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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve been flying intermediate for
about 3 years going on 4. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The two
rolls are still kicking my you know what.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>I can do one slow roll and one 4 pt roll but not two consecutive rolls. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m certain that the average
advance pilot would really have trouble with 3 rolls.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I see a lot of intermediate, advanced
and sometimes even <span class=GramE>masters</span> pilots almost loose
airplanes on the horizontal rolling maneuvers.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>They shouldn’t be underestimated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Mark, lets make advancement
at all levels a guideline.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I had to
move up from sportsman to intermediate after my first year in sportsman because
I beat 4 other pilots.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I was flying
a <span class=SpellE>Kaos</span> and the other pilots were all flying their 1<sup>st</sup>
contests with trainers.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>They had no
chance.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>In the end I’m glade
I moved up but at the time it made me real nervous.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I was so determined to fly pattern that
I decided to give it the old college try in intermediate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think Advance could use a few more
maneuvers that exit inverted.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Otherwise, I believe all the sequences are pretty good.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ron <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Lewis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:38 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>There is a provision in the current rule set to
accomodate these situations, see 8.1.2 of the competition regulations....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
"jeffghughes@comcast.net" <jeffghughes@comcast.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 8, 2009 3:30:24
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I understand completely,
I moved up to advanced, then my daughter got sick and I've been to one contest
in 4 years. My flying has regressed, and my confidence along with it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 2:52:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
know you’re joking some Bob, but I think you’re actually a great
example of someone that was able to fly a lot, and progressed nicely through
the system, but then when you got to Masters…a time when you really need
to practice even more to be competitive, your job suddenly changed, home
life became more complex, and you’re lucky to fly 10 practice flights a
year outside of contests. Your experience and skill would allow you
to be competitive in Advanced, without dominating and likely have a lot more
fun being a spoiler to that crowd, rather than trying to fly masters without
hardly even knowing the pattern.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>You’re
the perfect candidate for someone that should be able to choose where they fly (which
pattern) and have the most enjoyment. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Kane<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 2:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hey, I
resemble that remark . . . . . . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bob Kane<br>
getterflash@yahoo.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> "jeffghughes@comcast.net"
<jeffghughes@comcast.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Don Ramsey <don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 8, 2009 12:17:58
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is all pretty
interesting. From my perspective, I didn't really care who beat me when I
was in intermediate or advanced. I just knew that I was seeing the skill level
necessary to win. While it's nice to win a trophy in the lower classes, I
understood I wasn't competing against the best pilots anyway. From what
I've seen there is a huge variation of talent within a class anyway. I've
seen Masters pilots fly that wouldn't win in advanced if they bumped back down
(maybe not even in intermediate). People move up for all kinds of reasons
unrelated to skill level. It's also interesting that we talk about using
each class to improve our flying until we get to Masters, then it appears
nobody wants to improve to FAI. </span></font><font color=black><span
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