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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please be careful in the rules survey and provide some of the
background. When people read that, they don’t often process the entire
conversation and get focused on not punishing the 1 in a million abuser.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The reality is, we don’t have trophy hounds. And if we do have
one, well, I would argue that getting beat is getting beat. Yes, they should
move up, but that will happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As for COMPLETELY removing the points system as a guideline,
while that would be preferable to having it be mandatory, I do think there is
some value in having a guideline that people can look to for advice on when to
consider moving up. It’s hard to know when the time is right and I think there’s
value in having some advice out there for people. Maybe that doesn’t belong in
the rule book though and is better left to the NSRCA web site for info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would be VERY in favor of eliminating the forced advancement
altogether.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek
Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 08, 2009 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dave,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think the timing (in the past) hasn't been right.
Now, obviously is the time to do this. I'm going to add this question to
the rules survey and lets see what the membership wants to do.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Dave Burton <<a
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Let’ just remove all the
wording about advancement and points from the rule book and let anyone fly any
class they want for any reason they feel is appropriate. I’ve been advocating
this for years and have written rules proposals in the past that got shot down
by NSRCA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’ll volunteer to write the
proposal and submit it to AMA if NSRCA will support it. Without the support of
NSRCA it would be pretty futile effort.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood, Mark <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 08, 2009 10:46 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I really do think this is easy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Change the advancement rule to
be a guideline, not a rule.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>People should be able to change
what class they fly when they want to. Yes, there could be the occasional
A$$ that changes for the wrong reason, but let’s not make rules just to capture
idiots, and make more work for everyone else in the process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>People move between FAI and
Masters ALL THE TIME based on who’s at a contest, or the overall contest make
up and no one cares. There’s no reason that the same can’t happen in the
lower classes. Let’s just try it for a bit. Please??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All we need is a proposal to
change the wording on advancement to be a guideline, a recommendation.
And remove any language that refers to mandatory advancement or prevents people
from moving back down a level.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Let’s see what problems it
causes. I’m betting NONE, and it will eliminate numerous problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-M</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Earl Haury<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion List, NSRCA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Lots of good observations and comments that are on topic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Also, adjusting the sequences / classes may be a fix to the root cause of
poor skill fits in a given class that would dictate moving up or down.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>IMHO, I believe the immediate focus should be on changing the advancement
system so that folks who find themselves in a class way beyond their skill
level have a mechanism to move to a class better fitting their skills. I'm not
proposing that the focused competitor who moves up and then finds themselves
not competitive for a few years should move back. I do believe that the casual
competitor who finds that age / career / family / increased sequence difficulty
should be able to easily move to a class where they're comfortable. As the
discussions regarding sequence content indicate, the consummate competitor
wants (needs) an increasing level of difficulty to maintain challenge &
interest. This increase in difficulty can (and apparently does) overwhelm some
casual competitors who then leave pattern. Possibly they can be retained
if it were easy for them to drop back a class.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I don't perceive that this discussion has reached a consensus on how best to
handle the current advancement system, previous discussions have ended
similarly and nothing much has changed. The options seem to be:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>1. Leave the current system alone & adjust sequences / classes. (Appears
to concede to the lowest skill pilots per class.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>2. No official advancement system, peer pressure is adequate. (Might
actually work, most pattern folks are honorable.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>3. Variant of current system with provisions for casual competitors to move
back basis their comfort / performance. (Probably OK and would seem to have a
good chance with the CB.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>4. Performance based system where folks float between classes basis
performance. (Actually my favorite as it would both satisfy providing comfort
to the casual and prestige to the consummate. Unfortunately logistically most
difficult, someone would need to manage the data and assign classes.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>So - the trick is to reach some sort of consensus and move it to a rules
proposal. Discussion alone won't get the job done.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Earl<o:p></o:p></p>
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