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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In helping
new folks enter pattern I find one of the biggest challenges even for quite
capable experienced sport fliers is positioning. There is no better or simpler
maneuver than the vertical up line to teach visualization of the desired flight
path to finish the quarter loop on center. Learning to fly consistent entry radiuses
and judging where they need to start is critical. Turnarounds can be anywhere
within the box but that vertical line on center needs to be close to score well
and is repeated in intermediate, advanced and masters schedules in K-3 and K-4
maneuvers. The anticipation of flight path needs to be learned from day one and
is critical to positioning and linking a sequence of maneuvers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It defiantly
needs to be there to help teach the pilot to put the airplane where it needs to
be, intentionally.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Lewis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 4:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Arch,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The vertical
upline is a great teaching maneuver for sportsman and requires no more
power than a stall turn. There is NO criteria for the length of this
line, and a box entry just before it. I tell every sportsman pilot I
meet, no matter what they are flying this: Enter the box as high as necessary
to do as short an upline as possible or that the plane is capable of and setup
for the split-S. Overall, it's a quick and easy lesson in airspace
management. The radii are also not specified, just need to be
equal. So often we see sportsman approach center and pull a
radically tight radius and expose nasty attitude changes. This ia another
opportunity to teach. It is also an easy, low risk lesson in aircraft
attitude and trimming, as transitioning through a radius from horizontal to
vertical directly in front of you requires decent trimming (right thrust,
etc...) and also a degree of confidence that the wings are level. Also a
opportunity to teach.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Put three
rolls in intermediate and watch the intermediate pilots drop like flies........</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Richard</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
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windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General
pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 7, 2009
7:42:50 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I
think one thing we need to really get back to basics on is designing the
schedules based around the skills necessary to be able to move on to the next
sequence. I think we have picked a bunch of maneuvers, but are missing
out on what skills are needed. The current sportsman sequence is way too
long and requires a lot more power than a beginner sequence should. There
was a time when you could fly a .40 sport plane and be competitive, but those
days are gone. What is gained by the vertical upline on center
maneuver? You have to have a plane with a reasonable thrust to weight
ratio as the next maneuver is a split s. There are 2 half reverse Cuban
eights. You could conceivably get rid of the last 5 maneuvers and not be
missing anything. You would also allow a true .40 size first low wing
plane a chance at being competitive. I understand the argument that
theoretically those planes are already competitive, but in reality they
aren’t. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>The
biggest thing that people in sportsman need is the basic understanding of a
contest and the ability to learn to fly a straight line and maintain
altitude. Then as you progress you can add other maneuvers. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Two
maneuvers I think need to be put back into intermediate are the 3 horizontal
rolls…3, not 2. With 3 you have to learn to fly through them. Also,
the double stall turn was a great maneuver for that sequence. Straight
inverted flight is another important element that gets missed, even with the
inverted exit. As you progress into Advanced maybe introduce snaps
and a spin, with a couple more inverted exits to actually prepare someone for
Masters. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I
think if the sequences get viewed as building blocks, then the maneuvers needed
will take care of themselves. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Just
my .02,</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Arch</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Pavlick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:35
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bill,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> What district are you in? Maybe
Ziggy and I will take a road trip this summer. That could make things
interesting for you guys. I'm staying in Advanced as long as I can or at
least until I lose my day job. :)</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>John Pavlick<br>
<br>
--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 5/7/09, Bill Glaze <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><billglaze@bellsouth.net></span></i></span></b>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: Bill
Glaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:36 PM</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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color:black'>
<div id=yiv1772817569>Joe:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Advanced last weekend in Winston = 0 contestants. A
couple of weeks ago in Green Sea: Advanced = 1 contestant. I don't
believe that we've had more than 4 contestants in Advanced in a single
contest for 2 years--maybe more. I haven't thought much about just why
that might be, but right now, it's a very unpopular class. I concur
that most of the dropouts seem to be either from the Advanced class, or, from
those who are forced into the Advanced class. No matter how/why they're
forced to move up, it's just the way it is right now.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>I'm for getting rid of advancement in the Advanced class for
one. This is the class a number flyers who stick around seem
to hit their skill level wall and disappear. It also appears to be the
smallest class attended at local contests these days. At least in D1 it
is.<br>
<br>
I'd also like to see the option of being able to move back after one year in
the next higher class. This would be a allowed one time only.<br>
<br>
To make frequent sequence change doable, instead of having to come up
with new ones every 4 years or so, maybe we should just come up with
a good set of say 4 for each class. You can rotate
through them every 2 years and start from the first one all over again
after they've cycled through. This could easily be done for Intermediate
and Advanced. Probably even Masters. After about 8 years the pool of flyers
for the most part will have changed in each class anyway. Establishing
these sequences will probably take a well thought process of about two years
by some dedicated people willing to take it on. You could also just change a
handful of maneuvers in these sequences after the 8 year cycle to keep things
a little fresh for those that are still flying a
particular class after the 8 year cycle. This is a lot of work up front
but in teh long run it is easier. <br>
<br>
As far as Sportsman goes, you just need one good sequence that
teaches the basic skills to get you to Intermediate. The one we have now is
pretty close if not good enough.<br>
<br>
Just some ideas.<br>
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color:black'>From: anthonyr105@hotmail.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:48:08 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<br>
<br>
Good idea Earl. I think peer pressure alone will suffice but
if we want an organize system this has merit. <br>
Do we realize if we allow the other classes to become destinations then
the sequences should change more frequently. <br>
<br>
Anthony<br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From:
ejhaury@comcast.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:24:18 -0500<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>In the discussion regarding the Masters sequence / length a few
competitors mentioned that increasing the difficulty would cause them to stop
competing. Folks, this needs to be addressed! We can't tolerate a system
where folks are forced to a level where they can't enjoy pattern and/or chose
to quit. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>There are generally two views of the current system. One is that
it is cast in stone and needed to force the "trophy hound" to
move to the proper class. The other is that peer pressure alone will result
in proper classification. I think that there's a third possibility, some
folks prematurely move to a higher class for the "prestige" of that
class. There's likely reality / unreality to each view which
supports that some process is needed. While there have been some changes to
smooth the advancement process, nothing has changed for a person who
finds themselves in a class that exceeds their skills. I know - there's a
process to petition for dropping to a lower class, but it's intended for
hardship cases rather than being uncompetitive.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>OK - going back to the first paragraph - how might we fix this?
My suggestion is to change the rules so that folks who gather points in the
lower percentile of a class for X number of events (or rounds, or time span?)
have the option to stay where they are, or move back a class. The current
advancement rules would be applied to folks in the upper percentile. It seems
that this would provide an option for the casual competitor to seek a comfort
level and retain a reasonable advancement process for the serious competitor.
Of course there are administrative issues, probably best to simply use data
within each district, as most already track points for district
championships. A district based data set would also best weight performance
within one's local peer group.</span></font><font color=black><span
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color:black'>Just my thoughts - how about the group discussing this some.</span></font><font
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