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<DIV>John:</DIV>
<DIV>I am speaking abut D1--NC & SC primarily. We'll have to see how
the upcoming VA contest shakes out. Come on over!</DIV>
<DIV>Bill Glaze</DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:34
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill,</DIV>
<DIV> What district are you in? Maybe Ziggy and I will take a
road trip this summer. That could make things interesting for you guys.
I'm staying in Advanced as long as I can or at least until I lose
my day job. :)</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 5/7/09, Bill Glaze <I><<A
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze@bellsouth.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Thursday, May 7, 2009, 7:36 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Joe:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Advanced last weekend in Winston = 0
contestants. A couple of weeks ago in Green Sea: Advanced = 1
contestant. I don't believe that we've had more than 4
contestants in Advanced in a single contest for 2 years--maybe
more. I haven't thought much about just why that might be, but
right now, it's a very unpopular class. I concur that most of
the dropouts seem to be either from the Advanced class, or, from those
who are forced into the Advanced class. No matter how/why
they're forced to move up, it's just </FONT><FONT face=Arial>the
way it is right now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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title=jlachow@hotmail.com href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Joe Lachowski</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 07, 2009
11:32 AM</DIV>
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Advancement System</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm for getting rid of advancement in the Advanced
class for one. This is the class a number flyers who
stick around seem to hit their skill level wall and disappear.
It also appears to be the smallest class attended at local contests
these days. At least in D1 it is.<BR> <BR>I'd also like
to see the option of being able to move back after one year in the
next higher class. This would be a allowed one time
only.<BR> <BR> To make frequent sequence change doable,
instead of having to come up with new ones every 4 years or so,
maybe we should just come up with a good set of say 4 for
each class. You can rotate through them every 2 years and
start from the first one all over again after they've cycled
through. This could easily be done for Intermediate and Advanced.
Probably even Masters. After about 8 years the pool of flyers for
the most part will have changed in each class
anyway. Establishing these sequences will probably take a well
thought process of about two years by some dedicated people willing
to take it on. You could also just change a handful of maneuvers in
these sequences after the 8 year cycle to keep things a little fresh
for those that are still flying a particular class
after the 8 year cycle. This is a lot of work up front but in teh
long run it is easier. <BR> <BR> As far as Sportsman goes,
you just need one good sequence that teaches the basic skills
to get you to Intermediate. The one we have now is pretty close if
not good enough.<BR> <BR>Just some ideas.<BR> <BR>
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From: anthonyr105@hotmail.com<BR>To:
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Good idea Earl. I think peer pressure alone will
suffice but if we want an organize system this has
merit. <BR> Do we realize if we allow the other classes to
become destinations then the sequences should change more
frequently. <BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR>
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From: ejhaury@comcast.net<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:24:18
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In the discussion regarding the Masters
sequence / length a few competitors mentioned that increasing the
difficulty would cause them to stop competing. Folks, this needs to
be addressed! We can't tolerate a system where folks are forced to a
level where they can't enjoy pattern and/or chose to
quit. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are generally two views of the current
system. One is that it is cast in stone and needed to force the
"trophy hound" to move to the proper class. The other is that peer
pressure alone will result in proper classification. I think that
there's a third possibility, some folks prematurely move to a higher
class for the "prestige" of that class. There's likely reality
/ unreality to each view which supports that some process is
needed. While there have been some changes to smooth the advancement
process, nothing has changed for a person who finds themselves
in a class that exceeds their skills. I know - there's a process to
petition for dropping to a lower class, but it's intended for
hardship cases rather than being uncompetitive.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>OK - going back to the first paragraph - how
might we fix this? My suggestion is to change the rules so that
folks who gather points in the lower percentile of a class for X
number of events (or rounds, or time span?) have the option to stay
where they are, or move back a class. The current advancement rules
would be applied to folks in the upper percentile. It seems that
this would provide an option for the casual competitor to seek a
comfort level and retain a reasonable advancement process for the
serious competitor. Of course there are administrative issues,
probably best to simply use data within each district, as most
already track points for district championships. A district based
data set would also best weight performance within one's local peer
group.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Just my thoughts - how about the group
discussing this some.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV><BR>
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