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get better and better, the outside-looking-in sport pilot sees an increasingly
higher skill level required to compete. Not counting $$$ at all, this alone is
effecting the number of competitors in many AMA/FAI events around the world. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 11:03
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System - follow up</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I guess the bottom line
to all of this is: Does the NSRCA leadership want Pattern to be a fun
leisure-time activity, or a part-time job?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Mike Hester <<a
href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">kerlock@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'll second that. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I haven't flown pattern as long as some, but in the years I
have spent I haven't seen trophy hounds being an issue at all. yes they exist
occasionally. But they rarely last long. Sooner or later they get beat, and
that's the end of it soon after. natural selection I guess.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'm the poster child for the advancement problem to masters
as described earlier. When I was flying advanced I had a lot of time to
practice and did pretty well. Then I got the bright idea to kit a wood pattern
plane....so much for free time LOL So this is my 3rd year in masters and
I have yet to get anywhere close to practiced form. This year started out well,
then I lost my only plane. So much for this season.....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Not that I would want to return to advanced at all, I belong
in masters. But I can see plainly where others have moved up because of points
and wierd circumstances and they are over thier head, as in more than usually
expected. These are some of the best people in pattern and I would hate to lose
them just because of an arbitrary rule to weed out the so called sandbagger, who
is rare as hen's teeth.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In that respect, I agree with Mark....make it a guideline
ONLY. I have enough faith in people that they will do what's right and fly in
the class they need to be in. maybe not all the time, but enough so it won't
really matter in the big picture. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Mike</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank"
title="atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood, Mark</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, May 08,
2009 10:46 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System - follow up<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I really do think this is easy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Change the advancement rule to be a guideline, not a
rule.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>People should be able to change what class they fly when
they want to. Yes, there could be the occasional A$$ that changes for the
wrong reason, but let’s not make rules just to capture idiots, and make more
work for everyone else in the process.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>People move between FAI and Masters ALL THE TIME based on
who’s at a contest, or the overall contest make up and no one cares.
There’s no reason that the same can’t happen in the lower classes. Let’s
just try it for a bit. Please??</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All we need is a proposal to change the wording on
advancement to be a guideline, a recommendation. And remove any language
that refers to mandatory advancement or prevents people from moving back down a
level.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Let’s see what problems it causes. I’m betting
NONE, and it will eliminate numerous problems.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-M</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Earl Haury<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Discussion List, NSRCA<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement System - follow up</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lots of
good observations and comments that are on topic. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Also,
adjusting the sequences / classes may be a fix to the root cause of poor skill
fits in a given class that would dictate moving up or down.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>IMHO, I
believe the immediate focus should be on changing the advancement system so
that folks who find themselves in a class way beyond their skill level have a
mechanism to move to a class better fitting their skills. I'm not proposing
that the focused competitor who moves up and then finds themselves not
competitive for a few years should move back. I do believe that the casual
competitor who finds that age / career / family / increased sequence difficulty
should be able to easily move to a class where they're comfortable. As the
discussions regarding sequence content indicate, the consummate competitor
wants (needs) an increasing level of difficulty to maintain challenge &
interest. This increase in difficulty can (and apparently does) overwhelm some
casual competitors who then leave pattern. Possibly they can be retained
if it were easy for them to drop back a class.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't
perceive that this discussion has reached a consensus on how best to handle the
current advancement system, previous discussions have ended similarly and
nothing much has changed. The options seem to be:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Leave
the current system alone & adjust sequences / classes. (Appears to concede
to the lowest skill pilots per class.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2. No
official advancement system, peer pressure is adequate. (Might actually work,
most pattern folks are honorable.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>3.
Variant of current system with provisions for casual competitors to move back
basis their comfort / performance. (Probably OK and would seem to have a good
chance with the CB.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>4.
Performance based system where folks float between classes basis performance.
(Actually my favorite as it would both satisfy providing comfort to the casual
and prestige to the consummate. Unfortunately logistically most difficult,
someone would need to manage the data and assign classes.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So - the
trick is to reach some sort of consensus and move it to a rules proposal.
Discussion alone won't get the job done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Earl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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