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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Could we simply look to some of the previous patterns then and
recycle those? Or recycle them with minor changes? That would be an easy
starting point, and with a single maneuver change or two, they could feel very
current.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
don't think it does fall prey to the changing style of flying in the
classes below Masters as long a you stick to the guidelines and the catalog of
manuevers dedicated to each of the classes below Masters. I don't think our
style of flying is really going to change much more than it already is.
Other than Biplanes, what else is there to change things. The comment I
made about changing a few maneuvers in one of the sequences after the
8 year cycle would cover any of this I think. Without making changes in
the boundaries for our planes, I think we have reached a point where
things are beginning to slow down. The make up of the sequences
in the classes below Masters have really not changed much for some time.
The level of difficulty and maneuvers utilized are pretty much the same. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: atwoodm@paragon-inc.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:40:26 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Part of me likes the rotating sequence idea, but it falls pray
to the ever changing “style” of our patterns.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How about instead of changing an entire sequence, we look to
change a segment of the sequence every 2 years? Throw 6 manuevers out,
and add 6 different ones. It would allow for some change, some tweaking
of the difficulty, would allow new style maneuvers to be put in, without
completely redesigning and testing new sequences all the time.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It would also reduce the sudden learning curve. You would
have some of it memorized and “learned” going in.</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And it could be done for every class, though I think Masters
probably would like a complete new sequence more often.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As for advancement, I really think that EVERY class should be
voluntary.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’d like to hear someone name a trophy hound. I’m pretty
sure once they did…it would end right there. Peer pressure and good
natured ribbing is part of the game. I hammer on Archie to move up to FAI
at almost every contest! He has goals he wants to achieve and that’s
great. When someone is REALLY tired of him taking home 1<sup>st</sup>
place in a local contest…all they have to do is….beat him.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I'm
for getting rid of advancement in the Advanced class for one. This is the
class a number flyers who stick around seem to hit their skill
level wall and disappear. It also appears to be the smallest class
attended at local contests these days. At least in D1 it is.<br>
<br>
I'd also like to see the option of being able to move back after one year in
the next higher class. This would be a allowed one time only.<br>
<br>
To make frequent sequence change doable, instead of having to come up
with new ones every 4 years or so, maybe we should just come up with
a good set of say 4 for each class. You can rotate
through them every 2 years and start from the first one all over again
after they've cycled through. This could easily be done for Intermediate
and Advanced. Probably even Masters. After about 8 years the pool of flyers for
the most part will have changed in each class anyway. Establishing these
sequences will probably take a well thought process of about two years by some
dedicated people willing to take it on. You could also just change a handful of
maneuvers in these sequences after the 8 year cycle to keep things a little
fresh for those that are still flying a particular class after
the 8 year cycle. This is a lot of work up front but in teh long run it is
easier. <br>
<br>
As far as Sportsman goes, you just need one good sequence that
teaches the basic skills to get you to Intermediate. The one we have now is
pretty close if not good enough.<br>
<br>
Just some ideas.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From:
anthonyr105@hotmail.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:48:08 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<br>
<br>
Good idea Earl. I think peer pressure alone will suffice but if
we want an organize system this has merit. <br>
Do we realize if we allow the other classes to become destinations then
the sequences should change more frequently. <br>
<br>
Anthony<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: ejhaury@comcast.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:24:18 -0500<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Advancement System<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
the discussion regarding the Masters sequence / length a few competitors
mentioned that increasing the difficulty would cause them to stop competing.
Folks, this needs to be addressed! We can't tolerate a system where folks are
forced to a level where they can't enjoy pattern and/or chose to quit. </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There
are generally two views of the current system. One is that it is cast in stone
and needed to force the "trophy hound" to move to the proper
class. The other is that peer pressure alone will result in proper
classification. I think that there's a third possibility, some folks
prematurely move to a higher class for the "prestige" of that
class. There's likely reality / unreality to each view which supports
that some process is needed. While there have been some changes to smooth the
advancement process, nothing has changed for a person who finds themselves
in a class that exceeds their skills. I know - there's a process to petition
for dropping to a lower class, but it's intended for hardship cases rather than
being uncompetitive.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OK
- going back to the first paragraph - how might we fix this? My suggestion is
to change the rules so that folks who gather points in the lower percentile of
a class for X number of events (or rounds, or time span?) have the option to
stay where they are, or move back a class. The current advancement rules would
be applied to folks in the upper percentile. It seems that this would provide
an option for the casual competitor to seek a comfort level and retain a
reasonable advancement process for the serious competitor. Of course there are
administrative issues, probably best to simply use data within each district,
as most already track points for district championships. A district based data
set would also best weight performance within one's local peer group.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just
my thoughts - how about the group discussing this some.</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Earl</span><span
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