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Bobby you left out "Have a nice day"<br>
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Chris<br>
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Robert G. Satalino wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:5B53E3CC-87D6-4114-8C30-50233A10084A@comcast.net"
type="cite">No FAI hand me downs. Just take out three maneuvers,
that's more time for other things.
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<div>On May 5, 2009, at 11:23 AM, mike mueller wrote:</div>
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Mark we have plans for splitting Masters into 2 groups around here.
Anything else is a disaster. Mike<br>
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--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">From: Atwood, Mark <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
2011 Masters Sequence<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a>><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:57 AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Hear Hear!!<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I love flying long sequences...hate judging
them. There<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">needs to be a balance. Not just for the
sake of the judges,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">but also to accommodate the length of the
contest. <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have
5-6 FAI<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">pilots and 15 or 16 masters pilots.
Currently the masters<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">pattern is a MINIMUM of 10 minutes per
pilot (maybe not in<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the air, but you have to really have people
on their toes to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">even get 6 flights in an hour). With 16
masters pilots,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that's 2 hours and 40 minutes of flying per
round if<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">you're humpin'. Six rounds means 16 hours
of<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">flying for JUST masters guys. Assuming you
have 2 lines,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that means one of those lines is dedicated
to Masters for<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the entire contest AND assume you have 16
hours to fly.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">We never have 16 hours to fly. Rarely can
we get people to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">stay until 6pm on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a
lunch break both<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">days) and most fields have the sun in the
box either in the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">morning or afternoon which shortens the
flying day even<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">more.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Now add to those woes that you only have
5-6 FAI guys<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">judging. You need 32 man hours of judging,
so even if you<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">mix in a group of Advanced flyers it's a
loooong time in<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the chair.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Bottom line, regardless of whether it's
P-09 (probably<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">not a good choice at this point) or a home
brewed<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">pattern...it needs to follow the FAI trend
of getting a<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">little shorter. <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">My .02<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Of Archie Stafford<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a>; 'General
pattern<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">discussion'<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
2011 Masters<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sequence<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Verne,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">This started when I suggested to the
sequence committee<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that we need to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">shorten the masters pattern. Flying it is
fine, but I<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">think we need to take<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">into account the guys who have to sit and
judge it. I<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">heard several guys in<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">FAI judging this weekend about how long a
sequence it is. <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Which wouldn't be<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">near as bad except for the fact Masters is
usually the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">largest class at most<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">contests. I think we need to consider the
length of time<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">in the judges<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">chair for those that have to judge it as
well.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Arch<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Of mike mueller<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: General pattern discussion<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
2011 Masters<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sequence<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit
of a<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">disadvantage. It pushes my<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">setup a little further than I prefer. It is
a great pattern<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and I compliment<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the designers for having a nice flow. Mike<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">--- On Tue, 5/5/09, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</a> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</a>><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
2011 Masters<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sequence<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">To: "General pattern discussion"<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">If it sounded as though I were
complaining that the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">current<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Masters schedule takes too long, I
wasn't. Just<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">commenting that it takes a lot longer
than the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">previous one.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">For me, eight minutes from takeoff to
landing approach<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">(my<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">timer is started on takeoff and is almost
always<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">beeping<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">during my landing). I fly at what I would
call a<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">medium<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">speed most of the time. <br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I'm also against flying the FAI-P
schedule.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I'd<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">rather fly a home-grown variant that we
create<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">ourselves.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Verne Koester<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">---- Stuart Chale <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a>>
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