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</style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-WEIGHT:Normal;">I agree with Arch, we need something with a roll in it. A loop with a full roll at the top isn't all that difficult. Or an end box half loop with a climbing half roll.<br><br><br>Jon Lowe</span><br><br><hr><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:bold">From: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:normal;">Archie Stafford <astafford@swtexas.net></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:bold">Sent: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:normal;">Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:35 PM</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:bold">To: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:normal;">'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-weight:normal;">Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence</span><br><br><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:110pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>I think there is a big difference between a loop with a roll at the top and a truly integrated rolling maneuver where you are constantly rolling such as a 1 roll loop or 2 roll loop. A 4 point at the top is no different than an avalanche. If you classify that loop with a 4 point at the top as integrated then you would also have to classify the avalanche as an integrated rolling maneuver, but with a snap at the top. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Lachowski<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:21 PM<br> <b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>And one of the design criteria we have been going by over the last two cycles is that Masters is not to have rolling circles or integrated rollers. That is the big separator between the two classes. I'm with you on this point Bob and Ron.<br> <br> > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:27:21 -0700<br> > From: getterflash@yahoo.com<br> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br> > <br> > <br> > I'm with you on this one . . . There might have been a time when the Masters and FAI schedules were interchangeable, but not anymore. For me personally it is the rolling circles or loops that would knock me out. I have enough trouble making straight rolls look good. <br> > <br> > Bob Kane<br> > getterflash@yahoo.com<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > ----- Original Message ----<br> > From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrcaorg><br> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:15:53 AM<br> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br> > <br> > Let me post a dissenting input. If the Master class pilots were "plenty good enough" to fly the FAI P maneuver schedule, we'd be in FAI. I have no desire to fly the FAI P or any other FAI sequence that is selected by anyone else but pilots in the U.S. The Master class is the U.S. destination class. Leave FAI and its maneuver schedules to those who want to compete on the international level.<br> > <br> > Rant over.<br> > <br> > Ron<br> > <br> > On May 5, 2009, at 9:02 AM, michael s harrison wrote:<br> > <br> > > Joe,<br> > > <br> > > It has probably been mentioned before but I would recommend simply using the existing-whatever is at that time- FAI P pattern for the masters sequence and allow it to be replaced by the upcoming P pattern every cycle. The pilots are plenty good enough and it would really simplify things and put everyone on the same page. I believe it would be exciting and fun.<br> > > <br> > > Mike<br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<br> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:05 AM<br> > > To: NSRCA Discussion List<br> > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br> > > <br> > > <br> > > <br> > > There has been some discussion on whether it is time to shorten the length of the Masters sequence for 2011. A Poll has been set up on RCU to get the current crop of Masters pilots and future Masters pilots opinions.<br> > > <br> > > http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8742141/tm.htm<br> > > <br> > > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.<br> > > <br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> > > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br> > <br> > _______________________________________________<br> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > _______________________________________________<br> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. <a href="http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009" target="_new">See how.</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></HTML>=