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I set my timer for 8 minutes (fly electric). Starts before takeoff. I
can finish the pattern and still do a couple of maneuvers before the
timer goes off. So the whole sequence for me is under 8 minutes.<br>
Stuart<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Stuart,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Are
you including the takeoff and landing in the 7
minutes? At a contest here in TX last weekend, most guys were over 8
minutes for the whole sequence. This really makes the judging drag
on, especially since masters is usually the largest class at most
contests. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As
far as integrated rolling maneuvers. They aren’t
near as difficult as many make them out to be. A loop with a roll at
the
top or 4 point at the top isn’t nearly as difficult to do well as say
the
current figure M. Ones that are the bottom of a loop are a different
story, but there are integrated rolling maneuvers that could be added
that
would help prepare people for FAI. Maybe this is something that
sequence
committees should look at. I hate to use IMAC as a reference, but they
start doing 90 degree rolling stuff in their intermediate class to
prepare
people for the upper classes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Frankly
right now, the advanced class doesn’t prepare
anyone for anything. It isn’t much more difficult that the current
intermediate sequence and the jump from Advanced to masters is huge. I
understand Masters is a destination class and many people wont move on
to FAI,
but I also don’t think we want this ridiculous jump between the two
patterns. After a while you are going to have such a large gap that
you
are going to have a hard time finding people qualified to judge it.
You
are going to have maneuvers that guys in masters may have never heard
of.
The designs people are flying in Masters and the lower classes are
mostly
driven by FAI. Maybe we should start taking advantage of some of the
benefits of these designs in the other classes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
is no reason an Advanced pilot couldn’t do a loop
with a 4 point at the top. It is certainly no more difficult than an
Avalanche. It would also begin to prepare people in the lower classes
for
tougher maneuvers and using the rudder in the higher classes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Arch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart
Chale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is the integrated half roll horizontal at the
bottom or at
knife edge at the bottom :)<br>
<br>
I am one that likes the length of the masters sequence. It can be
completed in about 7 minutes or so. The IMAC guys that I fly with are
always surprised that there are so many maneuvers as they fly two
sequences per
round. Nice to see them impressed about something to do with
pattern. I wouldn't like to see it get any longer though. <br>
As far as using the FAI schedules. It sure would make judging much
easier
for both groups of pilots. I find it difficult to judge FAI as I
haven't
memorized their sequence. Only hitting 1 or 2 contests per year for
the
last couple of years makes it difficult to judge them without a caller
giving
me the maneuvers. Flying the same sequence would obviously make that
easier. <br>
The FAI sequence is more difficult with some integrated rollers but I
think
that is something most masters pilots could learn.<br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
Mike Hester wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Well,
I'll just put in my opinion on it since it affects me....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Replacing
the new masters pattern with P-09 probably wouldn't be THAT big of a
deal
although I don't really like that schedule. Fact is there's nothing in
there a
masters pilot would have any serious problems with.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">The
same cannot be said for P-11. The first manuever is a figure M with an
integrated half roll in the center, effectively placing the plane in
knife edge
headed down and turning back upward. There are a lot of planes still
out there
that won't turn the corner; it takes a VERY good plane or a very good
pilot to
do it correctly. I've been playing with it for 2 years myself. I made
sure my
plane would do it happily, but the older V2 wouldn't do it
happily...and a
plane from the Focus era? Have fun. As I said it can be done but it's
definitely not fun.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">And
that's just one manuever. With the way FAI is going, lord only knows
what the
future holds. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">On
the same subject I have a feeling any "recreational" FAI competitor
might be flying masters come next year =)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">-Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">To:</span></b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Sent:</span></b><span
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2009 10:02 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Joe,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
has probably been mentioned before but I would recommend
simply using the existing-whatever is at that time- FAI P pattern for
the
masters sequence and allow it to be replaced by the upcoming P pattern
every
cycle. The pilots are plenty good enough and it would really simplify
things and put everyone on the same page. I believe it would be
exciting
and fun.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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has been some discussion on whether
it is time to shorten the length of the Masters sequence for 2011. A
Poll has
been set up on RCU to get the current crop of Masters pilots and future
Masters
pilots opinions.<br>
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