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color:#1F497D'>I think there is a big difference between a loop with a roll at
the top and a truly integrated rolling maneuver where you are constantly
rolling such as a 1 roll loop or 2 roll loop. A 4 point at the top is no
different than an avalanche. If you classify that loop with a 4 point at the
top as integrated then you would also have to classify the avalanche as an
integrated rolling maneuver, but with a snap at the top. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>And one of the design criteria we have
been going by over the last two cycles is that Masters is not to have rolling
circles or integrated rollers. That is the big separator between the two
classes. I'm with you on this point Bob and Ron.<br>
<br>
> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:27:21 -0700<br>
> From: getterflash@yahoo.com<br>
> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm with you on this one . . . There might have been a time when the
Masters and FAI schedules were interchangeable, but not anymore. For me
personally it is the rolling circles or loops that would knock me out. I have
enough trouble making straight rolls look good. <br>
> <br>
> Bob Kane<br>
> getterflash@yahoo.com<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message ----<br>
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:15:53 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br>
> <br>
> Let me post a dissenting input. If the Master class pilots were
"plenty good enough" to fly the FAI P maneuver schedule, we'd be in
FAI. I have no desire to fly the FAI P or any other FAI sequence that is
selected by anyone else but pilots in the U.S. The Master class is the U.S. destination
class. Leave FAI and its maneuver schedules to those who want to compete on the
international level.<br>
> <br>
> Rant over.<br>
> <br>
> Ron<br>
> <br>
> On May 5, 2009, at 9:02 AM, michael s harrison wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Joe,<br>
> > <br>
> > It has probably been mentioned before but I would recommend simply
using the existing-whatever is at that time- FAI P pattern for the masters
sequence and allow it to be replaced by the upcoming P pattern every cycle. The
pilots are plenty good enough and it would really simplify things and put
everyone on the same page. I believe it would be exciting and fun.<br>
> > <br>
> > Mike<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski<br>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:05 AM<br>
> > To: NSRCA Discussion List<br>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > There has been some discussion on whether it is time to shorten the
length of the Masters sequence for 2011. A Poll has been set up on RCU to get the
current crop of Masters pilots and future Masters pilots opinions.<br>
> > <br>
> > http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8742141/tm.htm<br>
> > <br>
> > Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.<br>
> > <br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
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