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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The idle current of 0.16A is about as high as your 
avwerage current for model in flight should be.&nbsp; Something is 
binding.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">colin 
  chariandy</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org 
  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> 
  ; <A title=glmiller3@suddenlink.net 
  href="mailto:glmiller3@suddenlink.net">glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A> ; <A 
  title=ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed Alt</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:04 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM 
  glitch - trouble-shooting.</DIV>
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        <DIV>Just tried the same using the regulator from my back-up (same 
        except not switched) and a new throttle servo.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Throttle servo amps increased to 0.35A max.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Although the package was labelled 6.0V the output is 5.7V and min 
        output was 5.5V.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>After a minute of servo wagging it was hotter than the original. 
        <BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/27/09, colin chariandy <I>&lt;<A 
        href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;</I></B> 
        wrote:<BR></DIV>
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          colin chariandy &lt;<A 
          href="mailto:cchariandy@yahoo.ca">cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: 
          Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.<BR>To: 
          "General pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;, 
          glmiller3@suddenlink.net, "Ed Alt" 
          &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt;<BR>Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:22 
          PM<BR><BR>
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                <DIV>Ok, although this is a 1 year old airplane with 150 flights 
                I checked the current draw after the regulator with all servos 
                energized and the engine off.</DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV>I used a "watts up" meter that logs peaks (but I'm not sure 
                what the sampling fequency is).</DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV>Idle current - 0.16A.</DIV>
                <DIV>Throttle servo movement max - 0.25A (doesnt seem 
                like&nbsp;a problem but it's a little more noisy than a new 
                one).</DIV>
                <DIV>All other servos - 0.22-0.24 A max.</DIV>
                <DIV>Moving all servos together rapidly - 1.72A max.</DIV>
                <DIV>Regulator output min - 5.82V</DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV>I did this (moved&nbsp;all the servos rapidly for 1 min) 
                and checked the little heat sink at the end of the regulator 
                chip...quite warm, almost hot.</DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV>I may try this again with the engine running and compare 
                the results.</DIV>
                <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
                <DIV>Colin.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/27/09, Ed Alt 
                <I>&lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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                style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: 
                  Ed Alt &lt;ed_alt@hotmail.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.<BR>To: 
                  "General pattern discussion" 
                  &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;, "colin chariandy " 
                  &lt;cchariandy@yahoo.ca&gt;, 
                  glmiller3@suddenlink.net<BR>Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 
                  6:24 PM<BR><BR>
                  <DIV class=plainMail>This is easy to resolve.&nbsp; Nothing 
                  high tech is needed.&nbsp; One by one, move your controls and 
                  carefully watch to see if it looks like the any of them are 
                  straining at the end of their maximum travel.&nbsp; Check the 
                  throttle in particular.&nbsp; I have seen digital servo cases 
                  melt from having the throw set up further than the linkage 
                  will allow.&nbsp; If that's not it, disconnect the linkages at 
                  servo and work the control surface by hand.&nbsp; If it does 
                  not move very freely, fix it.&nbsp; If you don't find the 
                  problem there, work the servos around in a 10 minute mock 
                  flight on the ground, except exaggerate the movements 
                  considerably since there will be no air load and engine 
                  vibration to add to the load.&nbsp; Listen to each 
                  servo.&nbsp; If it sounds like it's having a problem, remove 
                  it and check it out on the bench.&nbsp; If there's nothing 
                  obviously wrong by the sound of things, then feel the servo 
                  cases&nbsp; to see if any of them are getting warm, or even 
                  try smelling them for that characteristic smell that hot 
                  electronics tend to have.&nbsp; If there is a regulator that 
                  got so hot as to discolor it, and there is nothing at all 
                  wrong with the linkages or control surfaces, then this ought 
                  to find the culprit.<BR><BR>Ed<BR>----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: "David Cotton " &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davercotton@hotmail.com" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>davercotton@hotmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: "colin 
                  chariandy " &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;; &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;; &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: 
                  Monday, April 27, 2009 6:09 PM<BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - 
                  trouble-shooting.<BR><BR><BR>You will need a very good meter 
                  to read the current, because a fully loaded digital setup 
                  takes the current in short spikes and most meters do not have 
                  a good enough frequency response. I have tried using a very 
                  good quality HP meter with over 20k frequency response and 
                  concluded it's not accurate, but it does give you a ball park 
                  number and will indicate if you have a serious problem. I have 
                  monitored my receiver voltage using a FDR data recorder and 
                  using two nimh batteries pack in parallel see at least one 
                  volt drop spikes at the receiver when the servos are heavily 
                  loaded.&nbsp; I run 2 20amp&nbsp; schottky diode connected 
                  packs in parallel for safety. You can be sure that these 
                  spikes are&nbsp; 5amps&nbsp; or more. I placed a Castel reg in 
                  the circuit and it drops the spikes to a few hundred 
                  millivolts<BR><BR>The average current draw is around 250 mA 
                  for 2 masters sequences.<BR><BR>Hope this helps. Incidentally 
                  the regulator does not get hot.<BR>Sent via BlackBerry by 
                  AT&amp;T<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: colin 
                  chariandy &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;<BR><BR>Date: Mon, 27 
                  Apr 2009 20:40:21<BR>To: &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;; &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - 
                  trouble-shooting.<BR><BR><BR>Yes.<BR><BR>I can't find by 
                  physical inspection any "wacked out servos" or other issues 
                  that might cause increased current load on the regulator. 
                  So....I'm trying to find the typical (or average) current that 
                  should be seen at any moment (instant) on a meter in-line with 
                  the regulator. Then I'll run my set-up and compare. If I'm in 
                  the ball park (less than 1A based on a couple of inputs so 
                  far) then the problem is not related to "wacked out" servos, 
                  binding etc.<BR><BR>Colin<BR><BR>--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Ed Alt 
                  &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>&gt; 
                  wrote:<BR><BR>From: Ed Alt &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.<BR>To: <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>, <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A><BR>Received: 
                  Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:25 PM<BR><BR><BR>Average current is 
                  not the same as instantaneous current, unless the only current 
                  being drawn was just for that single instant in time. Anyway, 
                  I will repeat, with an added quailifer, for the sake of 
                  understanding for where to look to help you solve the 
                  problem:<BR><BR>If you are using a JACCIO, Tech-Aero, or 
                  whatever regulator in a pattern setup, even with a YS CDI on a 
                  shared output, and if you find that you need a heat sink, 
                  then:<BR><BR><BR>Something Else Is Wrong. Check your setup for 
                  binding linkages, stiff hinges, whacked out servos, 
                  whatever.<BR><BR>Seriously, check your setup, OK? Just trying 
                  to help 
                  here.<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Ed<BR><BR><BR>----------------<BR>Date: 
                  Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:32:54 -0700<BR>From: <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A><BR>To: <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>; <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A><BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - 
                  trouble-shooting.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Actually, if you consumed 
                  200mAhr in 0.25hrs, then your average (instantaneous) current 
                  was 800mA.<BR><BR>Colin.<BR><BR>--- On Mon, 4/27/09, <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A>&gt; 
                  wrote:<BR><BR>From: <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glmiller3@suddenlink.net" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>glmiller3@suddenlink.net</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: 
                  [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.<BR>To: 
                  "General pattern discussion" &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;<BR>Cc: 
                  "colin chariandy" &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;<BR>Received: Monday, 
                  April 27, 2009, 12:34 PM<BR><BR><BR>Colin,<BR><BR>I'm running 
                  a different ignition system, but total consumption radio and 
                  ignition) for an entire 15 minute flight is about 200 mah..200 
                  X4 = 800 milliamps for an hour= 0.8 amps per hour  So the 
                  instantaneous current shouldn't be much.<BR><BR>G<BR><BR>---- 
                  colin chariandy &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt; 
                  &gt; wrote:<BR><BR>=============<BR>Does anyone know what the 
                  current consumption should be at idle/run-up for a typical 
                  YS170/Hyde/all digital servos installation?<BR><BR>I'll stick 
                  a Watt's Up meter in there to see how much I'm pulling after 
                  the regulator.<BR><BR>Jim, what's the current limit for 
                  continuous operation and spike/inrush for your 
                  regulator?<BR><BR>Colin.<BR><BR>--- On Sun, 4/26/09, James 
                  Oddino &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>joddino@socal.rr.com</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com</A>&gt; 
                  &gt; wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: James Oddino &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>joddino@socal.rr.com</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com</A>&gt; 
                  &gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - 
                  trouble-shooting.<BR>To: <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt; 
                  , "General discussion" &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt; 
                  &gt;<BR>Received: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 4:00 PM<BR><BR><BR>I 
                  don't believe a bad battery could cause the engine to rev up 
                  unless your battery failsafe isn't set properly. Make sure it 
                  is.<BR><BR><BR>The first thing I would look at is the 
                  possibility that the throttle servo is stalled at low speed. 
                  That could be pulling the battery/voltage regulator voltage 
                  down and it could recover after you started to throttle up and 
                  removed the heavy load.<BR><BR><BR>Finally I would run a one 
                  amp discharge test on the battery after it is fully charged to 
                  see if the battery is near its original capacity. The best way 
                  to do this is to plot the voltage vs. time taking readings 
                  every 5 to 10 minutes.<BR><BR><BR>Hope this helps. Let us know 
                  what you find.<BR><BR><BR>Jim<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Apr 
                  25, 2009, at 4:30 PM, <A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow target=_blank>cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A> &lt;<A 
                  href="http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca" 
                  rel=nofollow 
                  target=_blank>http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca</A>&gt;&nbsp; 
                  wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I had a close call today 
                  with my R921 Rx in an Integral.<BR><BR>I noticed on taxi out 
                  that the engine rev'd up and quickly back down without any 
                  command. At first I thought I must have bumped the stick by 
                  accident. Then just before take-off there was no responce from 
                  the throttle for a second or two then it was back. I thought 
                  the 170 may have loaded up a little and didnt respond. It did 
                  that one more time before I aborted the flight. However, I 
                  could'nt reproduce the problem in the pits.<BR><BR>Before 
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