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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a guy who absentmindly placed his
1300mah 2S LIPO with the rx plug missing into his pocket. It got real exciting
when I noticed “SMOKE” coming out of my pocket because the bare wires where the
rx plug used to be had made contact with each other. <VBsheepishG><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 17, 2009 11:14
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [SPAM] Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
batteries?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I heard a story once
about a guy who held a 5-call NiCd pack in his hand and then snipped both wires
simultaneously with a pair of dykes. Ouchies. . .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM, John Pavlick <<a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>Oh yeah. ALL batteries should be considered
somewhat dangerous. They ALL have a lot of stored energy. When I used to
race R/C cars we only had NiCd's. One time when we were getting ready to head
to the track for practice, my friend noticed smoke coming from his racing
box. When we opened it up we saw that the wire supports for a rear wing had
come in contact with the connector on one of his 7-cell packs. The 1/16"
wire was glowing red and it had melted the Lexan wing. The wire actually
fused (melted) and that took care of the short circuit problem. The wing was
ruined and the battery was HOT! I had a lot of respect for the amount
of energy that one of those packs could deliver after that. VBG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>John Pavlick<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Fri, 4/17/09, James Oddino <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com"
target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit'>From: James Oddino <<a
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] batteries?<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 3:37 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>I don't agree John. Write a spec for your
batteries. When you get to the user friendly section, state of charge
is the most important parameter. How do you determine when it is
charged (when to terminate charging) and how do you know when it needs to be
charged. Safe fast charging is also a desirable feature. LiXX
wins. It is very difficult to determine the state of charge of NiXX
batteries. You'd never specify a battery that you need to overcharge to
make sure it is charged and that is the case with NiXX. Lithium also
wins if you want small batteries. If it is safety that you alluding to,
it is important to know what you are doing with any kind of battery.
NiCds can deliver a lot of energy in a very short time too. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>Jim O<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:52 AM, John Ferrell wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal;word-spacing:0px'>I
believe the market has confirmed your choice. The availability of NiCads
seems to be shrinking. The latest crop of NiMh (Eneloop, Sanyo) looks to me
like it will have own the entire market place soon. LiPo's still seem to be
the best power/weight ratio for those who need big batteries but remain less
user friendly.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>John Ferrell
W8CCW<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>"All that is
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." --
Edmund Burke<br>
...."The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money." <br>
MARGARET THATCHER <br>
<a href="http://dixienc.us/" target="_blank">http://DixieNC.US</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net" target="_blank" title="geobet4@verizon.net">George
W.Kennie</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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color:black'> [NSRCA-discussion] batteries?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>TOO COTTON-PICKIN'
QUIET on here so I thought I'd stir the waters a little.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I remember, several
times hearing on this forum that Nickel Metal Hydride batteries were not all
that desirable of a choice</span></font><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>when making the
decision to make up a pak due to their tendency to self-discharge and other
erratic anomolies.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I feel compelled to
relate my experience. I put a set of 2500 ma cells in my Txmitter a little
over a year ago.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When I take this unit
off of charge, many times it has indicated a voltage of 12 Volts (usually
11.9). My previous charge</span></font><font size=4 color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>was done last
September and even though we are located in the N.E. where we sometimes fly
in temps ranging into</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>the low 20's, we do
get out quite a few weekends throughout the winter. Despite the fact
that I never take my Txmitter</span></font><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>out of the car all
winter long and it's subjected to 5 degree nites, which I'm told is not good
for batteries, I charged it</span></font><font size=4 color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>about a week and a
half ago and since September it had finally dropped to 10.5 Volts.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Special Paks?, you
ask? I go to Best Buy and pick 'em up and solder up my own. They're not
significantly cheaper</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>than commercially
available stuff I could buy, but when the impulse strikes, I conveniently go
and get 'em. Nice !</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Since a week and a
half ago I've only flown about 3 times, but the thing is still reading 11.5 !</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Now I do have to admit
that they like a slow charge better than fast, but I never slow charge the
flight paks I wire up</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>for my planes and I
don't own any planes with commercial flight paks and some of them have more
years on them than</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I would dare to mention
in this group.</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Soooo, If you've been
considering a NMH pak and you have doubts or concerns, take my experience for
what it's worth !?!</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>G.</span></font><font
size=4 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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