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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I don't
know anything about JR could it be a sub-trim offset.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ihncheol Park<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:41
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplanesoftwarefor e-power</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>For those
that may have interest in the result. I got the result with Type 2 listed
below.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I used PMix 3
: Throttle to Throttle. Pos 0 with 0%/0%, Pos 1 with -100%/-100%.
-200% Offset.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Switch was
set for mix switch. Now I can cut the engine at any throttle. With
a flip of the mixing switch, motor will not turn at any throttle.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Somehow, I
still can't make the Type 1 to work. The motor still turn at low RPM wtih
POS1 values set to all 0. POS0 has been set to curve that I wanted.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks to all
those who replied.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ihncheol</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Troy Newman <troy@troynewman.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 20, 2009
2:09:50 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplanesoftware for e-power<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
two ways to do it.<br>
<br>
type 1<br>
One go into your throttle curve and seta switch that will give you
a Curve POS0 and curve POS1 set one of those curves to all Zero values.
just run them all down to zero...this will disable the throttle stick. You are
fooling the throttle into following a new curve...one that drives the servo to
zero throttle and doesn't change as the stick moves up and down.<br>
<br>
<br>
type 2<br>
The throttle to throttle mix works...but here is what you are doing in the
logic. Throttle to throttle mix says take the current throttle stick position
and mix a % of throttle to it. So if you had a mix value of -5% and your
throttle stick was at say 35% the mix would take the 35% and subtract the -5%
from it. <br>
<br>
So the output value would be 30% NET.<br>
<br>
The way you have it setup now with a 0% at each point you are saying take the
current stick position and add or subtract ZERO from it. So you are not doing
anything.<br>
<br>
To make this option work....do this. <br>
<br>
Don't use a curve mix. Use a normal linear mix.<br>
Set the values at -125% or even -150% if they will go that high....I don't have
my 9303 in front of me right now.<br>
<br>
This will take the current position of the throttle and subtracts out all
values and the throttle should not move. You may need to mess with the stick
position value as it appears with your everything works below 1/4 throttle
statement means you probably changed this from the default.<br>
<br>
The stick pos or thro stick function on these mixes allows the mix to turn on or
off or change from one mix value to another at a given throttle stick position.
Its basically setting the inflection point where the throttle stick activates
the mix. If you thro stk value at 1/4 throttle stick then this would make the
mix change from POS0 to POS1 at that throttle stick location. This allows you
to play with this type of mixing in order to customize it even more than a
simple on/off. Example is you can have different mix settings based on your
throttle stick location. If you want 3%up elevator with rudder for knife edge.
You can use the throttle stick position to change it to 8%up elevator when the
throttle is below say 10% and have the same 3% knife edge mix when the throttle
is above 10%<br>
<br>
This allows you to have really 2 mixes or rather mix values built into one
mix....Or you can leave one value as ZERO and this will make the mix turn on or
off at that point just like it was a switch.<br>
<br>
After all this is said<br>
<br>
I prefer the throttle curve method I suggested at first. This is type 1<br>
<br>
if you have Q's send me a line and I'll work it out with you. I can get my 9303
when I get home and walk you through it.<br>
<br>
Troy Newman<br>
Team Horizon Hobby / Team JR<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
on behalf of Ihncheol Park<br>
Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 10:03 AM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplanesoftware
for e-power<br>
<br>
<br>
Stuart,<br>
<br>
It is for JR 9303. The mixing is set for entire range of the throttle
stick to have output of 0 on a flip of mixing switch. It still
turns. It is the only mix that I use switch. I try to set all other
mixes on permanently. <br>
Somepeople suggested using Heli software for it, but I don't really like it on
airplane.<br>
<br>
Ihncheol<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net"
ymailto="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:54:11 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplane software
for e-power<br>
<br>
Depends on the radio, Futaba higher models have throttle hold, or conditions
that could be used. Just set a condition where the throttle is always at
0.<br>
You can probably get more specific info if we know the radio. On another
note I did have a throttle hold set to a switch, rarely used it and forgot
about it. Added a mix assigned to the same switch (14MZ) and when
activated the throttle well you figured it out. Damaged the plane on a
dead stick. Even though I unflipped the switch what I didn't remember is
that the throttle stick had to be cycled back to 0 to reset it, a safety
feature preventing you from accidentally flipping the throttle hold off with
the throttle advanced. I no longer use a throttle hold.<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
Ihncheol Park wrote: <br>
<br>
Ok. I have a question to all those who fly E-power.<br>
I've been flying a little of e-powered planes, but mostly
foamy and small ones.<br>
Now going with 90 size before starting 2m.<br>
<br>
Is there any way to set throttle cut/hold in Airplane
software for entire range of the throttle?<br>
I've mixed throttle to throttle on a switch to 0 in all 5
point. It works on idle, but not if I move the throttle stick more than
1/4 throttle. Motor still turns. <br>
<br>
Am I missing something?<br>
<br>
I don't want that 19 + inch props turn without my approval!<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ihncheol<br>
<br>
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