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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When the throttle curve menu is entered you have a 3 point
curve. The middle needs to be set to zero% and both the L and H points
needs to also be set to zero.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I just set it up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Go to sw select, I chose the mix switch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Leave STK at INH otherwise you will be switch from curve POS0
and curve POS1 at a certain point on the throttle stick. This is probably your
problem. The built in throttle curve program has the ability to use the
throttle stick as a switch to change curves. This is why you have the option to
set the stick position. LEAVE it at INH or it will cause you to change from
POS0 and POS 1….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then at the bottom you will see the “IN” and “OUT”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The In is the stick position. The Out is the servo or in your
case speed controller output position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When setup properly the “IN” will move from 0 to 100
as the throttle stick moves. But the “OUT” will stay at zero. Then
its programmed properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Next is you can look up at the top next to the [thro curve] it
will have either a 0 or a 1 this tells you which curve you are in at the time.
So do two things to make sure its programmed properly. Flip the switch you
choose in my case it was the mix switch. The ) or 1 at the top will change.
Letting you know which curve the radio is following at the time. Next is with
the switch in the properly position for your “kill/thro hold”
Move the throttle still up and down and make sure the “OUT” doesn’t
move….If it doesn’t move off zero then its programmed correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is one thing that will affect the end point at idle and
that is throttle trim. Even with the mix in place the throttle trim will still
work…and if you move the trim up the motor might turn depending on your
speed controller settings. So be aware of this. To disable the throttle trim….go
into the setup menu….Hold the “ENT” and turn the radio on.
Under Trim step you will find the throttle trim sensitivity..Ste this to zero %
and the throttle trim will be turned off. In an electric you should not need
that trim anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There are ways you make sure its setup with the curve and still
have a throttle trim if you want it but it will require you to program your
speed controller for a fixed low position on the throttle rather than an
auto. Auto means that when you power up the controller the speed
controller takes the lowest point it sees at the bottom…..If it is fixed
in the program you now adjust your ATV (travel volume) to get the motor to turn
where you want it to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Another option is to setup the curve at zero and throttle trim
at zero control and use a thro to thro mix to get your perfect idle…again
the controller would have to be in a “Fixed” program option rather
than auto….or you would have your “Kill” switch active when
you power the controller and arm it…and then you flip “kill”
switch to the run position and the thro to thro mix is adjusted to give you the
idle you want. This is how I have setup radios for guys flying Futaba
radios with all digital trims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you make the switch be the same as your kill just the other
position of the switch then it’s a no brainer….kill and run
positions…Take it off kill and the motor idles where you want. Put it on
kill and the throttle stick and trim are disabled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The higher end radios like the 12X have a throttle hold function…you
just turn it on and it drives the throttle to your preset position and keeps it
there no matter what the trim or stick do. You can create the same function
in the 9303 just not as elegant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As I said before contact me offlist and I will walk you through
it on the phone. It will take about 2mins’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Troy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ihncheol
Park<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplanesoftwarefor
e-power<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For those that may have interest in the result. I got
the result with Type 2 listed below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I used PMix 3 : Throttle to Throttle. Pos 0 with
0%/0%, Pos 1 with -100%/-100%. -200% Offset.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Switch was set for mix switch. Now I can cut the
engine at any throttle. With a flip of the mixing switch, motor will not
turn at any throttle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Somehow, I still can't make the Type 1 to work. The
motor still turn at low RPM wtih POS1 values set to all 0. POS0 has been
set to curve that I wanted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks to all those who replied.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ihncheol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Troy Newman <troy@troynewman.net><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 20, 2009 2:09:50 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in
airplanesoftware for e-power<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
two ways to do it.<br>
<br>
type 1<br>
One go into your throttle curve and seta switch that will give you
a Curve POS0 and curve POS1 set one of those curves to all Zero values.
just run them all down to zero...this will disable the throttle stick. You are
fooling the throttle into following a new curve...one that drives the servo to
zero throttle and doesn't change as the stick moves up and down.<br>
<br>
<br>
type 2<br>
The throttle to throttle mix works...but here is what you are doing in the
logic. Throttle to throttle mix says take the current throttle stick position
and mix a % of throttle to it. So if you had a mix value of -5% and your
throttle stick was at say 35% the mix would take the 35% and subtract the -5%
from it. <br>
<br>
So the output value would be 30% NET.<br>
<br>
The way you have it setup now with a 0% at each point you are saying take the
current stick position and add or subtract ZERO from it. So you are not doing
anything.<br>
<br>
To make this option work....do this. <br>
<br>
Don't use a curve mix. Use a normal linear mix.<br>
Set the values at -125% or even -150% if they will go that high....I don't have
my 9303 in front of me right now.<br>
<br>
This will take the current position of the throttle and subtracts out all
values and the throttle should not move. You may need to mess with the stick
position value as it appears with your everything works below 1/4 throttle
statement means you probably changed this from the default.<br>
<br>
The stick pos or thro stick function on these mixes allows the mix to turn on
or off or change from one mix value to another at a given throttle stick
position. Its basically setting the inflection point where the throttle stick
activates the mix. If you thro stk value at 1/4 throttle stick then this would
make the mix change from POS0 to POS1 at that throttle stick location. This
allows you to play with this type of mixing in order to customize it even more
than a simple on/off. Example is you can have different mix settings based on
your throttle stick location. If you want 3%up elevator with rudder for knife
edge. You can use the throttle stick position to change it to 8%up elevator
when the throttle is below say 10% and have the same 3% knife edge mix when the
throttle is above 10%<br>
<br>
This allows you to have really 2 mixes or rather mix values built into one
mix....Or you can leave one value as ZERO and this will make the mix turn on or
off at that point just like it was a switch.<br>
<br>
After all this is said<br>
<br>
I prefer the throttle curve method I suggested at first. This is type 1<br>
<br>
if you have Q's send me a line and I'll work it out with you. I can get my 9303
when I get home and walk you through it.<br>
<br>
Troy Newman<br>
Team Horizon Hobby / Team JR<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
on behalf of Ihncheol Park<br>
Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 10:03 AM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplanesoftware
for e-power<br>
<br>
<br>
Stuart,<br>
<br>
It is for JR 9303. The mixing is set for entire range of the throttle
stick to have output of 0 on a flip of mixing switch. It still
turns. It is the only mix that I use switch. I try to set all other
mixes on permanently. <br>
Somepeople suggested using Heli software for it, but I don't really like it on
airplane.<br>
<br>
Ihncheol<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________<br>
<br>
From: Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:54:11 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR9303 Throttle cut/hold in airplane software
for e-power<br>
<br>
Depends on the radio, Futaba higher models have throttle hold, or conditions
that could be used. Just set a condition where the throttle is always at
0.<br>
You can probably get more specific info if we know the radio. On another
note I did have a throttle hold set to a switch, rarely used it and forgot
about it. Added a mix assigned to the same switch (14MZ) and when
activated the throttle well you figured it out. Damaged the plane on a
dead stick. Even though I unflipped the switch what I didn't remember is
that the throttle stick had to be cycled back to 0 to reset it, a safety
feature preventing you from accidentally flipping the throttle hold off with
the throttle advanced. I no longer use a throttle hold.<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
Ihncheol Park wrote: <br>
<br>
Ok. I have a question to all those who fly E-power.<br>
I've been flying a little of e-powered planes, but mostly
foamy and small ones.<br>
Now going with 90 size before starting 2m.<br>
<br>
Is there any way to set throttle cut/hold in Airplane
software for entire range of the throttle?<br>
I've mixed throttle to throttle on a switch to 0 in all 5
point. It works on idle, but not if I move the throttle stick more than
1/4 throttle. Motor still turns. <br>
<br>
Am I missing something?<br>
<br>
I don't want that 19 + inch props turn without my approval!<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ihncheol<br>
<br>
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